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From: Bauss

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Date: 6/23/2011 5:34:25 AM
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very true about the close games comment.

From: pmfg10
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Date: 6/23/2011 6:23:08 AM
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If you don't want players missing all free throws then train them. Nothing should be changed in regard to Free Throws.

From: Dodor

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Date: 6/23/2011 8:11:17 AM
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Agree.. if you don't want to see 0/1000 or 10/5000... train a bit of FT. Just 2 weeks will bring players from 0% FT to 30% FT. It's not like nothing can be done about it...

From: chihorn

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Date: 6/23/2011 9:22:43 AM
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I'd love it if somebody could pull in some NBA stats that tracks 3pt% with FT%.
Here goes:

Name Team 3FG% FT%
Evan Turner PHI .800 .808
Darren Collison IND .667 .871
Ray Allen BOS .571 .881
Jrue Holiday PHI .524 .823
Al Harrington DEN .500 .735

This seasons leaders in 3FG% and their season records for FT%.
But i gotta say that even though i find the way a good 3p shooter can miss almost every FT he attempts i actually like it that way as FT's can make a big difference in the outcome of a game. And if you ignore it you may find yourself a few points short in some games that you would have won if you just would have trained FT ones or twice.

Thanks for grabing some numbers.

First, it looks like you're numbers a little screwy. I think you got stats from just the last 5 games of the season. Evan Turner actually shot 31.8% from 3pt. The 3pt leaders actually look like this:

Player, 3pt%, FT%
M. Bonner, 45.7%,74.4%
R. Allen, 44.4%, 88.1%
S. Curry, 44.2%, 93.4%
M. Bibby, 44.0%, 62.9%
L. Ridnour, 44.0%, 88.3%
R. Jefferson, 44.0%, 75.9%
J. Jones, 42.9%, 83.3%
A. Morrow, 42.3%, 89.7%
A. Afflalo, 42.3%, 84.7%
R. Williams, 42.3%, 74.6%
D. Cook, 42.2%, 80.0%

Just looking at the top 10 3pt shooters, two observations:
- Most have very solid, if not very high, FT%. (The league average I think was somewhere between 76-77%.)
- Bonner and Bibby show that a high 3pt% does not guarantee a high FT% (though note that Bibby is a career 80.2% FT shooter).

When looking beyond just the top 10 3pt% players, most players have solid FT%, some really great, with the odd player hovering around the league average.

Related to one of my above points about height, when looking at the top 10 players in FG%, 8 of them are at least 6'-10" (2 are 6'-8"), so obviously they're taking most of their shots in the paint (only 3 players average more than 0.1 3pt attampts per game, and only Lamar Odom averages more than 0.3 per game. Odom shot them at 38.2%, truly a freak of the game! Amazing!) But when you look at their FT%, only Pau Gasol shot better than 80% (82.3%), with 8 averaging under 76% (and 2 under 60%). Here's a website that demonstrates one possible explanation for affect of height on free throws:(http://www.noahbasketball.com/make_shots.php)

Here's a website that has some serious statistical FT analysis: (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid...)
Discussion about FT training really could be enhanced if we all look at that article (it seems that FT really can't be improved much through training... and it's inconclusive about the affect of player height).

If FT training were to change, I tend to think that the rate of FT improvement should slow a bit, but also have a slight positive affect on JS (but not JR). I also think there should be a similar slight positive affect on FT when training JS and even more slight when training JR. I also think there should a be small training speed advantage to shorter players with FT training (just like tall players have an advantage with IS).

But let's see more stats, more evidence!

Don't ask what sort of Chunks they are, you probably don't want to know. Blowing Chunks since Season 4!
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Date: 6/23/2011 10:59:05 AM
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And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue,

There's even a solution already implemented in the game. I don't know if you have seen it, it's hidden on the training page and it's called FT-training.

BTW: Again no up for you this week, guess why ;)

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Date: 6/23/2011 11:32:56 AM
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Gnihihihihi. :-/

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Date: 6/23/2011 12:10:13 PM
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This is an old argument here.


And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue, but nothing happens and sooner or later this game will fall apart because so many users quit because of the stagnancy we have for many seasons now.


Either the game is stagnant because no changes are made, or you complain when changes are made:

(187889.1)

Which is it?

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
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Date: 6/23/2011 1:02:43 PM
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This is an old argument here.


And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue, but nothing happens and sooner or later this game will fall apart because so many users quit because of the stagnancy we have for many seasons now.


Either the game is stagnant because no changes are made, or you complain when changes are made:

(187889.1)

Which is it?


Selfquote:
I think it is time to present some real innovations soon, game gets a little repetitive now and those cosmetic changes dont motivate me a lot.


I am not one of those that consider the rankings the niext big thing in this game. Why dont you start developing some things that are heaviliy demanded for seasons?

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Date: 6/23/2011 1:11:27 PM
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If you haven't noticed thats what they've been doing.

Examples:
People want to make training SFs easier = BBs implement Cross training
People want to stop tanking teams = BBs implement Salary floor

There are plently more examples. Start paying attention to the positive things BBs have implemented instead of automatically thinking negative and complaining about them.

Last edited by Mike Rice at 6/23/2011 1:11:45 PM

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Date: 6/23/2011 1:27:35 PM
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This is an old argument here.


And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue, but nothing happens and sooner or later this game will fall apart because so many users quit because of the stagnancy we have for many seasons now.


Either the game is stagnant because no changes are made, or you complain when changes are made:

(187889.1)

Which is it?


Selfquote:
I think it is time to present some real innovations soon, game gets a little repetitive now and those cosmetic changes dont motivate me a lot.


I am not one of those that consider the rankings the niext big thing in this game. Why dont you start developing some things that are heaviliy demanded for seasons?


Things that are heavily demanded by you does not equal things heavily demanded (or possible) by the BB community at large.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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