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In the tracking pops in crosstraining thread it has been shown that crosstraining is random.

Skill, which is selected to get crosstraining probably is random. But effect of crosstraining isn't random ;-)
If player is well-rounded then effect of crosstraining is very small. If player is one-dimensional then effect of crosstraining is large. There is no randomness.

Your THEORY that elastic effect is a placebo and nothing more is interesting, but ungrounded.

It isn't placebo. Elastic effect could be very useful, but not to increase total effect of training. If You want to have great player You must set him on different possition (for example PG must play as C to train IS and C must play as PG to train HN, etc). But if You use elastic effect in right way then number of matches, in which this player must play on different possition, could be smaller.

And because this discussion is all about long term planning with training lets see its perspective with one dimensional training regime. The idea is to reach to a certain value of skills for a player the fastest you can, and there are different opinions whether the EE will lead you there. Basically, I share the idea of B.B.King (197824.4). Now, let's see how the cross-training adds to that.

IMO, the cross-training can be a real headache with it's potent randomness. It's really a question how much randomness you are willing to afford. If you are a perfectionist, I'd say you will always try to stay close to the 90%. One-dimensional training for the purpose of gaining huge EE could produce cross-training share of ____ %. For a player:

JS 14 JR 7
OD 7 HN 14
DV 14 PA 7
IS 1 ID 1
RB 1 SB 1

how much % does fall to the random training if you continue with the 1-on-1? We certainly know it is more that 10%. Could it be 20% with these set of skills? If we say it is, what is the training speed of 1on1 in the next week?

base speed x negative elastic effect x 0.8?

Obviously you will be training 1on1 slower, but the bigger problem for me is that ___ % of cross-training. For a manager that cares very much of total skill points vs potential vs salary this is probably not the most desired outcome.

Last edited by Onisifor at 10/11/2011 10:37:28 AM

Is there any proof of an elastic effect then training a big man on the lagging small man skills (or vice versa)?

Is there any proof of an elastic effect then training a big man on the lagging small man skills (or vice versa)?

Sorry, I didn't understand fully what you mean...can you explain a bit better? You mean, if there is negative elastic effect on big men if they have bad guard skills? As far as I know, there shouldn't be. But I have never trained big men, so maybe someone else should have a better answer.

how much % does fall to the random training if you continue with the 1-on-1? We certainly know it is more that 10%. Could it be 20% with these set of skills? If we say it is, what is the training speed of 1on1 in the next week?

base speed x negative elastic effect x 0.8?

Obviously you will be training 1on1 slower, but the bigger problem for me is that ___ % of cross-training. For a manager that cares very much of total skill points vs potential vs salary this is probably not the most desired outcome.

I see your point, it's a very interesting one. If you train the player you "created" in either JR, PA or OD, then very little goes to cross training (more than 90%) and a lot goes into trained skills. So there is probably a threshold where you have to stop training 1 on 1 because it creates so much negative effect that even faster OD or JR training can't recover it.

Is there any proof of an elastic effect then training a big man on the lagging small man skills (or vice versa)?

Sorry, I didn't understand fully what you mean...can you explain a bit better? You mean, if there is negative elastic effect on big men if they have bad guard skills? As far as I know, there shouldn't be. But I have never trained big men, so maybe someone else should have a better answer.

at least starting with this season there should be one, and why shouldn't they exist before it mustn't been a big one.