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83282.28 in reply to 83282.27
Date: 3/31/2009 4:36:28 AM
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skills are weighted.

and the 1 skill will be one of the most heavely weighted for the best position he receives, otherwise it can't be his best position since he only has 1 skill that is way better then the rest.

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Date: 3/31/2009 5:07:17 AM
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and the 1 skill will be one of the most heavely weighted for the best position he receives, otherwise it can't be his best position since he only has 1 skill that is way better then the rest.
I dont get this, are you referring to a specific case?

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Date: 3/31/2009 11:12:33 AM
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Using other parameters then the ones for salary and base it on best possition would make it possible to uncap a capped player with a position change. As far as i can see it...

Maybe. However, a capped player is training real slow, and the amount of training needed to change position may be significant, so on a practical level I don't think it is a big problem.

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Date: 3/31/2009 11:32:04 AM
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Using other parameters then the ones for salary and base it on best possition would make it possible to uncap a capped player with a position change. As far as i can see it...

Maybe. However, a capped player is training real slow, and the amount of training needed to change position may be significant, so on a practical level I don't think it is a big problem.


if you need a lot of ttraining to get him from his best position to an other, this means he needs a lot of other skillincrease to shift (his other skills need to rise above his skillset he already established for his current best position), which makes it automatically so that he again will already have reached his cap in his new position as well.
I think if a capped player uncaps it is only posible for players balancing on the edge between 2 best positions, so very little training in 1 skill might tilt him over to the other best position, so he can uncap, but then, if you train him again, he probably reaches his cap again in the other best position as well...

So practically spoken: once the cap is reached, training isn't beneficial any more. ;)

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83282.32 in reply to 83282.19
Date: 3/31/2009 12:33:25 PM
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It's a bit confusing. But yeah it helped.

Does that mean that a 200 cm can theoretically become a C , PF, SF, SG, or G dependent on how we train him?

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Date: 3/31/2009 1:20:12 PM
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Indeed! I have a guy who is 193 cm who came out of the draft as a PF, but because I have only given him outside training he is turned into a SG by now.

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Date: 3/31/2009 9:44:57 PM
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It does not take positions into account, it takes the more or less unique skillset of a player. Positions are based on how those skillsets are balanced and can change after each training update to reflect actual skillset. Best positions are only as initial guide for beginners to make them set their lineup easier and for calculations of salaries during the season update.

Since positions reflect skillset some say they have influence in how the cap works but it is really the skillset what matters - sometimes you can develop strange skillset of players not fitting any position really so it's logical their cap is based on their skillset not the estimated position.

No monoskill cap - you can have a player with one lvl20 skill and (much) low(er) other skills but that's not effective at all. How exactly one überdominant skill works towards the potential cap is hard to tell.


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83282.35 in reply to 83282.11
Date: 3/31/2009 9:51:58 PM
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... and the best position into account.
Are you sure about this?

The position affects the way salary is calculated, I am pretty sure about this.

But that's a completely different thing than a potential cap. That only helps you to find out where (salary-wise) potential for for example all stars centers tends to be. Position is a presentation thing, can be changed weekly by training update, this fact only disqualifies it to be taken into account for caps purposes. It only indicates things ex post.

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Date: 3/31/2009 9:57:38 PM
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The soft cap is just a number. To determine whether a player has reached his potential, this number is compared to a variable, which is calculated in a manner similar to salary.


So if I have a player who has reached his potential softcap who then changes position due to a pop, is it possible he is now back under the potential softcap because of the position change?

No, this is the clear evidence why kozlodoev is wrong about it, it simply can't work this way.

Or there is second possibility that he is right which means BB made a big design mistake.

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Date: 4/1/2009 8:52:37 AM
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The soft cap is just a number. To determine whether a player has reached his potential, this number is compared to a variable, which is calculated in a manner similar to salary.


So if I have a player who has reached his potential softcap who then changes position due to a pop, is it possible he is now back under the potential softcap because of the position change?

No, this is the clear evidence why kozlodoev is wrong about it, it simply can't work this way.

Or there is second possibility that he is right which means BB made a big design mistake.

See (46657.42) for details on salary estimation.

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Date: 4/1/2009 1:52:04 PM
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At first nobody from BB confirmed anything in that thread. It is only an educated guess. Principles may be right but the formula is surely wrong because it doesn't count with sublevels of skills.

Most importantly it has nothing to do with how cap works.

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