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91077.28 in reply to 91077.27
Date: 5/30/2009 10:48:48 AM
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I have a player like that on my team. He'll be 24 this year and Im hoping to still get training out of him as he is my best player. His potential is MVP though so he shouldn't cap so easily.

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91077.29 in reply to 91077.13
Date: 6/2/2009 10:37:44 PM
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A player with a bunch of respectable skills is not a "player". It's a guy you pick off the street. A player is someone who has spent years improving his basketball skills.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post. Did I ever contradict that? Perhaps you misunderstood my question. Anyhow...

I'll give you a small task: go to the transfer list and search for all players that have 12 or better in Inside Shot, Inside Defense, and Rebounding. Then come back and report how many 5'6 guys you found among them.

If this doesn't convince you, search for players above 7'0 and then for players shorter than 6'0, and check what the average rebounding rate is.

Again, I don't understand why are you pointing at this. Now I'm positive that you didn't understood me. I was not talking about training, but about in game advantage solely. If you don't find anything strange in the fact that 7'0" guy doesn't have any rebounding advantage over 5'6" guy... and, again, I'm not talking about training, but in game rebounding... fine, no problem, I'm not gonna argue over it. Still, I think it's absurd to believe that someone like Nate Robinson could out rebound someone like Dwight Howard. Whatever.

And as far as tasks are concerned, I have one for you, too: go and Google how many 5'6" centers made it to the NBA, or even better, forget the NBA, go and Google how many 5'6" centers played this game professionally at all... and then ask yourself why is that? Perhaps that will help you to understand my point.

The question is not what were they thinking (this is a very well-thought feature of the game), but whether you've thought about the situation at all.

You know what? I think you are being very unfair, not to say rude. I never meant to offend anyone, but whatever. I'm glad to see that you put some thought into it, though :/

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91077.31 in reply to 91077.30
Date: 6/2/2009 11:55:12 PM
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Oh, please stop being so political, you know none of those things has to do anything with what I said in my opening post.

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91077.32 in reply to 91077.31
Date: 6/3/2009 3:54:12 AM
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Hey Jase,

Don't think anyone is trying to be rude it is just this point comes up alot and probably irritates people having to answer it all the time.

I will see if I can help and not inflame this situation anymore.

Generally players that come with a team when it first starts or are drafted are considered the equivilent skill of someone who plays tuesday night ball at the local stadium.

I know in my local competition we have Centers ranging from 6'10" to 6'0". Rebound wise being tall doesn't help at this level. Its when you start training in real life that you get better. Also being a very short forward myself I would like to remind people that rebounding isn't just jumping up to catch a ball. A fact a few NBA forwards might need reminding of. Boxing out and judging a shot comes into it.

The big guys train inside skills quicker so if you look in USA div 1 you wont see any sub 6 foor centers.

I hope this helps. If not please feel free to ignore my comments and I will slink back to my corner

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91077.36 in reply to 91077.12
Date: 6/4/2009 3:27:25 AM
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I don't know about you, but I think that's stupid.

it's stupid as it may sound, but it's not the developer's fault. one of BuzzerBeater's aim here is to produce a scrub of people to managers and make them into winners... if one manager wants to train a five footer into a colossal rebounder, it's his choice, not BB's...

And you know what else, I might be completely wrong on this too, but I think I'm not the only one who feels that way. 7'2" center should have rebounding advantage over 5'6" center. As a matter of fact, there should be no 5'6" centers in the game, period.


When I was still learning the game, I feel your inputs here, because i was thinking the same way before... but when you think through again, you will see that there is no way that a taller player can have advantage in rebounding in game to the small player if they have same skills. Why? because they have the same skills. The taller guy can have an advantage over the shorter player in training, wherein taller players develop faster in big man skills than the shorter guys.

If one manager wants to train a smaller guys rebounding, it's his choice, it make take him longer to train than taller players, but if it's still his choice, then that would be ok, right? Now, how can you have a problem with that, when in the first place, the site encourages the managers to train anyone in their newly created team in their own freedom?

This is what i understand in the logic of that issue, so it's fair for me to say that yeah, a 5'6 player can rebound as good as a 7'5 center, provided that both players have equal skill levels

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91077.38 in reply to 91077.37
Date: 6/4/2009 7:22:29 AM
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that reasoning is valid only because BB is not considering height in that equation.


That is not the case... for example, (let's use the rebounding skill in this example) the NBA now is composed of tall, quick players, and in 1991-1992 season, Dennis Rodman (Height:6'8) leads the league in rebounds (averaged 18 rebounds per game) infested with players who are bigger than him (Robinson, Ewing, Olajuwon, Mourning, and Mutombo to name a few)

Now, why is this possible, maybe because that Rodman may have a better rebounding skill level than the others, and thus, makes him legit to be better in spite with his height.

Another example, a 6 footer player who seldom plays basketball can be out-rebounded by a five-footer player who is a veteran at the game... most especially if he is skilled at boxing out a player.

It is usual that big men rebounds well other than smaller players. But with better training, and if the smaller player out-trains the bigger player, he has a good chance in the ball, because for me, it's all about the skills, not the height.

And also, I don't see any 5 footer players here in BB who are good in rebounding and out-rebounds bigger players, and even though there is one, the credit is in the manager who trains him, not the player itself :)

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