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262742.29 in reply to 262742.28
Date: 10/31/2014 2:05:40 PM
Infested Warriors
II.2
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775775
Hey all.

Finally i'm back to be an "outside team"... sort of... It was hard to find the correct Bigs for an outside team. I was looking in the market for Defensive bigs (high ID+SB) and some JS with low IS. I´ve failed in the low IS but found (and bought) some interesting bigs with 15+ SB.
I've been using the 3-2 zone. I want to hear some advices from you Manon with the 3-2 zone, because i've had some weird games like (75929065) and especially (75929073).


Sorry my english but i'm in a hurry right now. response for BB-mail will be apreciate as well.

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262742.31 in reply to 262742.29
Date: 10/31/2014 2:56:54 PM
white snake
II.1
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Second Team:
Black Forest Boars
The first game is against patient. The SF and PG took most of the shots and it was propably more outside than inside.
The second one is against RnG. Against an outside offense it's pretty difficult to block shots. So your 12 blocks are pretty solid. I don't know the skills of Alexa, but Grund's are good. If both of them are similar they will help each other.

High SB and 3-2 will be strong against LI or LP. Just wait a little bit ;)

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Date: 10/31/2014 8:56:54 PM
Infested Warriors
II.2
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Atm im looking into building a new team as i find the build more fun then trying to win as your done =)

When i'm finish experimenting with high JR i'll train an outside Big, or so I hope.
I've made my BB career around my home made players. Made to DIMAYOR BB back in S17 with 5 starters trained in Infested Warriors. All drafted or bought 18-19 yo. But now it's imposible to compete and train again a full team. And more if you want high SB in your Bigs and JR in your Guards.
After 7 long real years (Joined BB in S3) I think both franchise and fans deserve aim for some rings

@ Nachtmahr

I really don't think the SB was weird in the second game... but the game itself. Was a close game till last minutes. his PG was a 2k (34686330) thought. To many weird stuff.

High SB and 3-2 will be strong against LI or LP. Just wait a little bit ;)

Already done in PL last week (75326632)
I don't expect much SB but lower the shots inside the paint, the fear factor.

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262742.33 in reply to 262742.21
Date: 11/1/2014 3:40:28 AM
Freccia Azzurra
IV.18
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Second Team:
Slaytanic
I would love to build something like this: (http://i.imgur.com/FGS3hUP.png)


In Utopia I'm gonna try to create a player like this but few questions:

1. where can I arrive with potential all star?

2. In which position could play?

3. Why more JS/JR instead of IS?

4. If you've already 3 players, P, SG, SF with high OD, do you need also to have similar OD on this player too?

5. Which could be the best level for HA and DRI?

Thanks a lot ;)

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
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262742.34 in reply to 262742.33
Date: 11/1/2014 8:59:51 AM
white snake
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Second Team:
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1. where can I arrive with potential all star?

9 - 8 - 12 - 8 - 12 - 12 - 5 - 14 - 14 - 14.
That's 97-100%.

2. In which position could play?

That would be a defensive big or SF. He could also play as a first pass Guard.

3. Why more JS/JR instead of IS?

1) because it keeps the salary low
2) because JS+JR don't take away your cap space as fast as IS
3) because this guy is for an outside team were the guards shoot. As a result you don't need so much IS

5. Which could be the best level for HA and DRI?

for pot 6, Handling around 12. For me, a defensive player should have more handling than driving.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 11/1/2014 9:00:33 AM

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Date: 11/1/2014 9:34:22 AM
Freccia Azzurra
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Danke ;)

About the quesiton JS vs IS, considering to play LI and considering to play with him as SF or PF, JS has an influence in his efficency? I mean ok about salary, ok cap but he will play much better having IS instead of JS, right?

Last question, what about OD?

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Nachtmahr

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Date: 11/1/2014 10:15:25 AM
white snake
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Danke ;)

About the quesiton JS vs IS, considering to play LI and considering to play with him as SF or PF, JS has an influence in his efficency? I mean ok about salary, ok cap but he will play much better having IS instead of JS, right?

Last question, what about OD?

LI with a low IS player is a challange. I won't use one as a PF or C. And for the SF, DR+IS is the most important combination in LI. So this sort of player isn't suited for LI. I would recomend another player for inside tactics.

OD: Most of the PFs have at least JS 9 or 10 nowadays. To counter this, espacially if you play m2m and not 3-2 zone, you need OD on your PF.

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262742.37 in reply to 262742.32
Date: 11/1/2014 6:29:50 PM
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High SB and 3-2 will be strong against LI or LP. Just wait a little bit ;)

Already done in PL last week (75326632)
I don't expect much SB but lower the shots inside the paint, the fear factor.



I am sure, that having way much higher wages does the trick.

The question is - can it be successful against an inside team with similar payroll. Not in one single game, but in a long run. GM-Manon had such games like this (72467508).
I do not remember how expensive was his team in comparison with competition. GM-Manon was successful to the level of getting into the play-offs. Respect. It was not an easy path he chose (I do not want to diminish the achievement but some could question if that would be possible in more competitive nation - USA, Italy, Spain, France etc.) . That is something some of us claim - different paths leading to game success should be similar and they are not now.

It is great that in this game we can find different goals and satisfaction from reaching them - homegrown teams, playing 3-2 motion and so on. Most of players play for less sophisticated goals - to win, and most of players believe that the best way to win (with a big margin) is to use an inside tactic and m2m. It might be that most of players are wrong (also the very successful ones).

It is basketball game simulation but most of all game based on economy. Most of players are trying to achieve one thing: best possible results for given budget or from the other perspective pay as little as possible to achieve given sport result.

So I would like to add one more thing to the list of problems to be dealt with:

Tanking should be less profitable.

It kills very often competition. Makes many games boring - making people less committed.

If we look at the game from the economic perspective - the best way to make money is to loose games. In other words the best way to win is to loose. Accumulate money and with them in hand be able to win on court. It is the case in leagues I, II, III, IV - everywhere.

The only position that could be more profitable than being last with minimal payroll is league champion (promotion bonus, extra revenue in the next season). Doing best to win but failing in the final is so much less profitable than loosing every single game - that it pushes people to tank. I could say also that moving to tanking also reduces the commitment to the game - no short term competition. That could also lead to quitting the game. Tanking can push people who deal with tanking to quit and people that tank to quit.

@GM-Manon

Why are you trying different goals than the designed - winning league and B3? Isn't it because it is one sided and that the only way to do so is to go for an inside tactic+m2m like 90% others?

Well, it looks like it is much to long post, and that I have still my work left aside. It also looks I've written a post relevant more to the other topic "the top priority should be..."

Last edited by picia at 11/1/2014 6:32:40 PM

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262742.38 in reply to 262742.37
Date: 11/1/2014 8:29:06 PM
Infested Warriors
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High SB and 3-2 will be strong against LI or LP. Just wait a little bit ;)

Already done in PL last week (75326632)
I don't expect much SB but lower the shots inside the paint, the fear factor.



I am sure, that having way much higher wages does the trick.


(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/1125/overview.aspx?sea...) finished 22-0 with 650k~ payroll against 800-900k~ .

Now I'm paying too much in the Bigs cause in TL were no bigs with high SB and low IS. Can't create for tomorrow from training one of my personal taste. Now i'm training a SG with very high JR.

This is my last Off Topic.

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Date: 11/1/2014 9:09:21 PM
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High SB and 3-2 will be strong against LI or LP. Just wait a little bit ;)

Already done in PL last week (75326632)
I don't expect much SB but lower the shots inside the paint, the fear factor.



I am sure, that having way much higher wages does the trick.


http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/1125/overview.aspx?sea... finished 22-0 with 650k~ payroll against 800-900k~ .

Now I'm paying too much in the Bigs cause in TL were no bigs with high SB and low IS. Can't create for tomorrow from training one of my personal taste. Now i'm training a SG with very high JR.

This is my last Off Topic. :P


Very good season, my congratulations, great effect for the money - I am not taking credits away from you. Correct me if I'm wrong - I thought that you were not playing 3-2 zone defence with high SB against LI very often in the previous season.

I was only saying that we could say that 3-2 defence with high SB against LI/LP is successful after given respectable number of games where teams with similar salaries and enthusiasm can deliver decent result. The last game you've shown looked to me like racing VW Beetle with a Porsche.

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