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Dear Alex,

I don't know how much you know about Basketball and rebounding, but again, height is not the major factor in rebounding skill! If a Dwayne Wade is able to box out and bump away a Shawn Bradley away from the rim, he will take 5 out of 6 rebounds in a match up against him. To Rebound correctly you need Orientation, Reaction, Stability, and Skills like Boxing out, Bumping, Jumping, Catching, Landing.

And if two equally skilled players meet each other, again, height is not the mmajor factor, as all the skills mentioned above will be the same on both players, so therefore it would be a 50/50 chance who gets the rebound. But I can not imagine two players being EXACTLY EQUALLY SKILLED in all areas, so there must be something that favoured the smaller guy to take more rebounds than the big guy.

PS: Pau Gasol is a very skilled player. I don't see the comparison to Charles Barkley, because Pau Gasol is a great and intelligent player. Of course Barkley would be less effective against Pau Gasol, but not because of the height of Gasol, but because of his SKILLS.

I agree with your rebounding assessment, however I never said it should be a major factor, I simply said there should be some kind of factor, a small bump up perhaps for the taller guy depending on size differential. I used the Example of Pau vs Barkley and Barkley vs a similar sized guy as an example of how height can impact rebounding. Again I am not saying that height is a major factor or that it should be a major factor in BB, I'm saying there should be some kind of adjustment when there is a substantial height differential.

Maybe this is a better example is this: a 7 footer has strong rebounding and a 6'4 has prolific rebounding. Perhaps the 7 footer should get .25-.5 level bump up and/or the smaller guy get a .25.-5 bump down when battling each other for rebounds. The bigger the difference the bigger the bump should be, but it should never be a major factor, I'm talking small adjustments. And again only when battling each other.

Jason Kidd is a great rebounding guard, but he isnt battling bigs most of the time, he's finding open spots and fighting for boards with guards and small forwards mostly. So again this is so you cant put a guy like Kidd at center and match him up with Yao and have Kidd abuse Yao on the boards when matched up against each other. That just doesnt make sense to me.

No system is going to be perfect, just putting in my two cents to make the game better.

Maybe this is a better example is this: a 7 footer has strong rebounding and a 6'4 has prolific rebounding. Perhaps the 7 footer should get .25-.5 level bump up and/or the smaller guy get a .25.-5 bump down when battling each other for rebounds

should i say you something cool, this is already the case, because the bigger guy trained rebounding fast and have instead of 8,5 rebounding 9 rebounding and get that why more rebounds :)

Very cool right?

LoL niec spelingg Crazeeye

By the way. Bradley was untalented, but:

He was first in blocks/game in '97 with 3.4.
Two times he had double figures in Blocks in consecutive games.

Size doesn't matter? Even with bad skills like his ones you can play amazing games. He even had a couple triple doubles.

It's not worth it, and would make the game worse. Everyone would clamor towards 7ft 6 guys just for their height rather than skills and the market would be terribly skewed. Rebounding and height correlation isn't very high past a certain point, the only real advantage a taller defender has is blocking but if you want such "realism" then most 7 ft+ guys will have foot problems and will get easily injured. For gaming fairness purposes, the current system is fine.

Last edited by Milestone at 4/28/2009 10:26:28 PM

By the way. Bradley was untalented, but:

He was first in blocks/game in '97 with 3.4.
Two times he had double figures in Blocks in consecutive games.

Size doesn't matter? Even with bad skills like his ones you can play amazing games. He even had a couple triple doubles.

I always thought that blocking a lot of shots means being talented in Shotblocking. I don't know how your example supports that "even with bad skills you can play amazing games".

Two players the same size as Bradley, Gheorge Muresan and Yao Ming, averaged 1.3 and 1.2 blocks over for their careers, and Dwight Howard and Chris Andersen, both 6'11, lead the NBA at about 3 blocks per game. I won't even bother to track Josh Smith and Ben Wallace's stats, you catch my drift.

So yes, the ability to block shots is loosely related to size, and the BB system seems to fit the profile.

Ummm guys we have already answered the question.....why are you guys talking bout Bradley

unlucky mate

thats exactly how i think too. the lower divisions arent 'professional' but are just a bunch of z leagues.

the way to look at it is, if a 7'0 center has awful rebounding and he's up against a 5'11 center with awful rebounding, both these guys should have roughly equal rebounds. BB already takes into acount the height of the 7'0 guy and are basically saying that even with his height hes still that bad at rebounding. remember that talls guys already get a boost and if theyre that bad then its like that for a reasin.

On behalf of the thousands of teams in the lower divisions, I resent your characterization of our teams as "just a bunch of z leagues".

We play very competitive b-ball. Our players may not be the best shooters, or the best passers, or the best rebounders, or the best defenders, or be the best looking, but I can assure you they are pure of heart and sincere.

Your teams may beat ours by humiliating scores, but our players help little old ladies cross streets, never curse, and rarely smoke. After losing to a Div I squad (actually their second team) in a scrimmage, their players left the arena for the shady side of town for beers and to enjoy the company of loose women. In sharp contrast, my squad showered, put on their slightly worn and certainly dated suits and took their wives and children to their favorite mosque, church and synagogue.

"z leagues" indeed!