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141850.3 in reply to 141850.2
Date: 4/25/2010 5:43:18 AM
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Also effort doesn't affect match ratings (that's what I've been told) and so managers should be able to deduce from the ratings (generally not always) what the effort ratings were.

Also you wouldn't be able to scout another team and realise they have higher or lower or the same enthusiasm as you which could make things interesting.


From what I know effort does have an effect for match ratings.

About the scouting, could be possible that every match you play at home, you could see also opponents effort, but not the opponent. So you could see if TIE agreement were correctly done, but he dont.
Better would be if you pay for the scouting and just pick the match you would like to see in the future like this, but the same thing could not be done by your opponent.

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141850.4 in reply to 141850.3
Date: 4/25/2010 5:50:02 AM
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Yeah I am not sure if effort does affect it, I was just saying that I had been told by various people in the help forum that enthusiasm affects ratings but effort does not.

I think it would be better to have it that you can never see the effort of the opponent, or you can always see it, there shouldn't be cases where you can see it on home court or something like this.

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141850.5 in reply to 141850.3
Date: 4/25/2010 6:29:59 AM
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personally i would say it affect the match rating of the next match, the current one is unaffected.

But i don't like the suggestion, because this will confuse also a lot of manager when they try to explain their results.

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141850.6 in reply to 141850.5
Date: 4/25/2010 7:52:41 AM
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this will confuse also a lot of manager when they try to explain their results.


Personally if I would get 1st league hopefully sometimes, I would not like to see that I have to do TIE agreement with others just because everyone do it. Do that over and over "will you accept to TIE next match with me?" "ok" over and over again, this is so boring.

The point that manager cannot deduce team effort doesnt mean that his match reading will be completely lost. In fact, if he knows something about the game, he could figure out that there could be something messed with others team effort, while he ended up like this.
This doesnt affect the game itself, because you doesnt know opponents effort before game anyway and after-match analysing are complicated anyway.

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141850.7 in reply to 141850.6
Date: 4/25/2010 8:00:42 AM
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at least in germany, they aren't close to that common like the thread opener said ;)

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141850.8 in reply to 141850.7
Date: 4/25/2010 8:11:58 AM
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Well, but I have no plan to move there even if it is close. There are too nice highways, I would get spoiled.

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141850.9 in reply to 141850.8
Date: 4/25/2010 8:22:42 AM
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are you sure, that in your country they only make deals? To be honest, for me deals only make sense in rare cases, when i play against a superior opponent i would loose if i play TIE vs TIE - so without a deal i could try it and hope the opponent plays tie because he feels superior or play TIE and get the pos. effect of the TIE without doing my opposition a favour.

When i am superior, the opposition knows that they don't gain anything through the deal with the same argumentation, so it only makes sense in rare cases and normaly most managers know that.

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141850.10 in reply to 141850.9
Date: 4/25/2010 10:38:32 AM
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I can confirm that deals in our country (aigidios's one) are quite rare.

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141850.11 in reply to 141850.1
Date: 4/25/2010 10:45:02 AM
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I absolutely don't agree with your proposal.
What kind of strategy can you invent,if you doesn't know nothing about you and your adversary?
Your ability as manager should be to understand the way adversaries play,and modify yoru strategy,loking also at your schedule.
TIE-TIE arrengements would be exist also with your proposal,you cannot check if your adversary respect the deal with you,so your proposal would not be discouraging that.And knowing after the game if your adversary respect the agrrement,doesn't change your strategy.But it will penalize the managers who care about also enthusiasm in their plan for the season

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141850.12 in reply to 141850.11
Date: 4/25/2010 11:10:35 AM
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I can also with certainty say that there are no mutual TIE agreements in the top Croatian division either

From: Ozzy

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141850.13 in reply to 141850.5
Date: 4/25/2010 8:16:03 PM
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Finally someone reply on this topic.

Well... I can tell you all advantages and disadvantages of TIE-TIE arrangement, but that is not point of this topic.

First I'm not the smart one who invented this suggestion. This problem, TIE-TIE (ou yeeees that is problem), was in HT something like 10 seasons ago. And HT change this thing in same way like I wrote. Now, the number of TIE-TIE agreements is at the lowest level! Actually I didn't get any TIE-TIE propose till then! And before that that was usual... so this suggestion WORKS.

I read all your disagrees, and really cant find any reason against this?!!!!
But i don't like the suggestion, because this will confuse also a lot of manager when they try to explain their results.
Is this the only one? ...hah who cares for your excuses if you lose? This would make game just more interesting... much more interesting... haha "confuse" :))))


Those who wish can still ask someone for TIE-TIE... but that would be much rarely. If you dont have this kind of problem in your country you are the very lucky, or just blind :P



@GM-Kivan:
I can also with certainty say that there are no mutual TIE agreements in the top Croatian division either

GM in my country would probably say the same. But different people have different thoughts...

Last edited by Ozzy at 4/25/2010 8:16:41 PM

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