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in my experience with SFDC the starter gets 36 min and the Backup 12. It sometimes difers by 1 or 2 minutes.

Off course if you have foul trouble, injured player or so, this changes...


This is not universally true. A starter can get quite a wide range of minutes (approximately 32-42, depending on circumstances), and there are no hard caps in either direction.

pls tell me what you are saying that is fundamentally different from what i have said??

i can give you facts that in 90% off the games my starters play between 34 and 38 minutes. 32 and 33 or more than 38 min happens, but very rarely. off course depending on circumstances like fouls, injuries etc it can differ more. but i play SFDC in 99% off my games and my starters in 90% or higher % always have between 34 and 38 min

i can show you prove that even than it makes a small difference.

my starters are way way better than my backups and it almost always works.

like i said, there are a few rare occasions that doesnt work, but in general it seems to work for me.

Here I think a change would be apprpiate.

If I play SFDC and "Take it Easy" the manager should try to make 36/12 even though the stamina might be a problem or the difference between the player is very big. The same in scrimmages, since they dont mather in winning or loosing, they are just to get practice, and every normal trainer would allow players to play even if they are a bit tired or worse than the bench

i can give you facts that in 90% off the games my starters play between 34 and 38 minutes. 32 and 33 or more than 38 min happens, but very rarely. off course depending on circumstances like fouls, injuries etc it can differ more. but i play SFDC in 99% off my games and my starters in 90% or higher % always have between 34 and 38 min

And like koz said, it's not universally true. I actually found your claim so surprising based on my own experiences that I went through my own competitive and PL games this season. I checked for each game whether at least 3 of the 5 starters played between 34 and 38 minutes. Here is a summary of my findings:

In 11 games, at least 3 starters had 34-38 minutes.
In 18 games, this was not the case.

That's about 38%, which is way below your findings.

In addition to the games listed above, 1 game went to OT and 1 game went to double-OT. In these two games, most starters played more than 40 minutes, but that is hardly surprising. I would also like to note that out of the 29 games that did not go to OT, there were several games where all my starters were between 34 and 38 minutes, and several games were none my starters were between 34 and 38 minutes. Obviously, in all games I used strictly follow depth chart. In addition, in most games I let the players play in foul trouble.

pls point out where i said it is universally true and that there were no exceptions. or even remotely said something like it.

i did the same thing. and not taking into account the 1 player i train 48 min a week, not taking account blow outs and not taking into account foul troubles, injuries, over time or other exceptions i come to these minutes. the first three games at the bottom were at the start off the season and my backup players perform better with good GS. in almost all my games the minutes are between 34 and 38... sometimes 39 or 40. but this is my prove it works for me... no clue why it doesnt for you or others...

SG G. Solaun
36
PF E. Dalla Torre
40
SF G. Atripaldi
37
C E. Anidos
34

C G. Atripaldi
37
PF M. Barnhoorn
36
PG G. Solaun
37
SG Z. bin Md Noh
35

SF Z. bin Md Noh
34
SG M. Bernardino
34
C E. Anidos
34
PF M. Barnhoorn
34

PG M. Bernardino
38
SF T. Vukelic
37
SG Z. bin Md Noh
34
C G. Solaun
35
PF M. Barnhoorn
29

SF V. da Ermida
38
PF M. Barnhoorn
37
C E. Dalla Torre
38
SG M. Bernardino
37

C E. Dalla Torre
36
PF M. Barnhoorn
38
PG G. Porzionato
38
SG Z. bin Md Noh
37

PG G. Porzionato
35
SG C. Guardia
33
PF E. Dalla Torre
35
C V. da Ermida
32

PG G. Porzionato
37
SG C. Guardia
36
PF Z. bin Md Noh
36
C V. da Ermida
37

SG C. Guardia
33
PG G. Porzionato
37
SF M. Barnhoorn
33
PF J. Trindade
32

SF Z. bin Md Noh
40
PF V. da Ermida
37
C M. Barnhoorn
37
SG C. Guardia
40

PF M. Barnhoorn
33
SF E. Dalla Torre
39
SG C. Guardia
35
PG G. Porzionato
42

SG C. Guardia
40
PF E. Dalla Torre
37
PG G. Porzionato
41
SF V. da Ermida
40

if its eazy game (blowout) then bench comes to court sooner. for example in my blowout win week ago by 40 pts my players played between 29 and 21 minutes:D if its point-by point game then ur starters may play even 46or 47mins

I think they are taking into account all games played, not just games that are close. Which in most cases, not all games are going to fit your description.

Therefore they are stating that it will fluctuate more depending on the matchup. If you play games against opponents that are at the same competitive level as you are, then you can expect the 36min(starter) 12min(backup) distribution. But, since other circumstances exist, you should never "expect" this for every game.

No one is saying that you are wrong, but I would expect more like a 5 minute difference when taking into account all variables. (I haven't done any research on this, but I usually play SFDC and see many different combinations of minute dispersement.)

i am quite sure that i said this. there are exceptions possible, a close game for me is an exception. and there are loads off exceptions possible.

but i listed all my close games. cause almost every other games was a BO for me at some point in the 4th Q. Or I fielded less than 9 players. So for me and this is what I said, it works.

yes people are saying i am wrong and that i was universing what i said. i said it counts for my team and that in normal circumstances it works for me. and i showed you my prove for the whole season.

No one is saying that you are wrong, but I would expect more like a 5 minute difference when taking into account all variables. (I haven't done any research on this, but I usually play SFDC and see many different combinations of minute dispersement.)

i would like to see these variations with more than 5 min. and no i am not talking about 6 or 7 min. in other words 1 or 2 min differnce.

Show it to me/us. like i did, with game number and i am sure I can find a reason why the player didnt play the required minutes. It is either a huge difference between starter and backup, foul troubles, blow outs and many other things that are logical and I do not have time or can be bothered to go deeply into.

I didnt show all the games that were exceptions.

for example when you play 8 players or less you off course have more players with differing numbers.

i play most games 9 or 10 players. and when i do this. and nothing "weird" happens, you see my minutes are almost always between 34 and 38 minutes.

i am not going to have a discussion about all the exceptions that can happen and are possible. all i said was that i NORMALLY i end up with 34 to 38 minutes and when people started to attack that statement i showed prove. more i can not do and dont want to do...

Last edited by Astragoth at 11/30/2010 12:42:19 PM