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Wow ! A day-trading panegyric... That's wicked !

Really you are speculating in the blind. Can you make any estimation of the volume of money sunk out by day-traders each week ? The volume of money sunk out by other means ? The volume of created money injected in the economy by new teams ? Any rough numbers of the global economy ? What's the money supply and its fluctuations since the beginning of this year ?

I'd suspect that the day-trading activity has a very marginal effect on the global money supply.

Last edited by Manouche at 7/14/2011 9:47:33 AM

Easy to solve: introduce team spirit / team cohesion / team whatever

Team spirit would be good in general, not only as a measure against day-trader. I had the idea to suggest it for the nth time, then I gave up.

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 7/14/2011 9:59:05 AM

As a manager of an U21 team of a small nation day traders are a filthy curse for us. I save the players, they become free agents, I see real teams have put on a fair bid for the players, then a day trader ganks them at the last minute. The player is now in the hands of the day trader who sees the NT symbol as the chance to clean up. They then relist them for double or triple what they paid four days later, they don't train the player, no-one pays that much, they continue to rot at stupidly high prices for a couple of week still getting no training, the daytraders slowly drop their proces until the player sells. They have made a profit in the end but the player has lost a few weeks of training and was probably marginal compared to the stars from the big nations who are trained properly from day one to begin with.

I just dropped two players from the U21 team tonight that were being sold by daytraders like this. I hope it hurts their profits. If they actually trained the players I wouldn't mind, but it is the selfishly wrecking the few potential future stars of this small nation in order to make a few bucks that really upsets me.

I have no issue with people making profits, the issue I have is these players have less than three seasons to be trained to a standard we need for the U21 NT and if the daytraders just put them on ice for a few weeks it really hurts the players and the future prospects of the team.

I can certainly understand why daytraders wouldn't want to spend money on a high level coach and may have their own long term players they are training but it really is bad for the U21 NT.

If you train while you are trying to dangle the guys then please buy the guys who will be for sale on monday!

they continue to rot at stupidly high prices for a couple of week

What you descirbe is an arbitrage dealer, not a daytrader.

I am not sure the global economy is perfectly managed, maybe the BBs are not completely satisfied with the situation, maybe a few mistakes were made or a bit of trial and error.

But you have to reckon it's very difficult, certainly the most difficult aspect of a game like BB to fine tune. And it will never be perfect because the conditions will change heavily after a few seasons and corrections will have to be made, just like IRL. A self-regulated economy is a myth, it has never happened in history, there are only "markets" freer or more open than others, there are always rules and changes of rules.

You need some understanding of macroeconomics to deal with the global economy in BB, not that easy. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the BBs have sought advice of someone knowledgeable in the field.

Funny to some degree. Some days ago, Wolph claimed that "overtrained young FAs" are the end of Buzzerbeater, as they are clearly a sign of cheating, now only a week or two later, it´s the daytraders, who stand for the doom of all things to come, although those daytraders, as another one told us, are actually limiting the impact the "overtrained young fas" have on the market and the NTs. So while the daytraders are good in fighting against what Wolph claimed before, they are still the evil to fight?

In my humble opiniion, daytrading or "talent hunting" is to some degree a pain in the a$$, but honestly it part of a any professional sports for sure. If you can get talent for a price below market value, you often buy first and ask later, if only to be able to sell for good later.

I do agree that sucking money out of the market using the "transfer fee" is actually a positive thing balancing the bb economy.

Tbh daytrading does not suit the game of basketball at all. Even worse, these managers often ruin a just started managers BB career (one bad transfer at the start usually does it). But BB's find this to be a vital part of the game. Limiting it will turn those managers into week or month traders. I would love a 22 played games for the club before you can transfer list someone. You could always release/retire a player, but you could not transfer list him. How often do teams buy a player for the purpose of reselling him a week later in basketball? This just does not happen...

Even though I am on your side here I do know several examples where it has happened here in Australia expecially in the glory days of the 1990s where the Aussie professional league the NBL had a lot of money but a lot less experience and sense. There were so many cases of a particular phenemomon that it got a name, "pacific shrink". Teams would hire a 6'10" C they had never met staraight out of College only to discover that when he turned up he had shrunk 3 inches on the trip over and was actually a 6'7" SF. They were often back on the first plane back home. There was even one case of a guy who turned up to play as an import on crutches having torn his acl or something similar but never actually mentioned that to the team that was offering him a one season contract.

Teams are a lot more careful now, money is a lot tighter and technology much better so it is rare these days.

So I do think it sucks that daytrading is the second best tactic to be successful in this game after the tactic of having started in season 6 or earlier. However it is fun looking at the TL for bargains andyou do need to be able to get rid of your old players when you have just found someone who is better so except for a longer initial contract (we have 4 days now - the NBA has a minimum 10 day contract) there isn't much to be done.