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If a manager can't log in enough to do the bare basics of running the team, he indeed probably should be punished in such a manner.

I disagree.

1) He can set up his lineups in advance.

2) Injuries can come in bunches (my first season I had 4 injured player at once, I'm sure there can be even more unlucky managers)

3)Time needed turn into a bot is there for a reason right?

4) There are more important things than BB (well maybe not for you, you are here everytime) and some come unexpected.

5)When BB men can screw up things they do manually, indeed managers should be allowed to do mistakes without punishment too (NT palying both SC and cmpetitive games; 22years old players in U21; missing games in schedules,...)

6)There is no written note in the rules about walkovers and of course no mention about necessary amount of players dressed to prevent a walkover.

7)Teams is not required to have money to buy scrubs just to fill places.

8)It's up to manager how he dedals with game shape.

9)What if manager needs to lose a game and this is the only way to do this because of a poor competition* - for example second finals game (in this case it doesn't harm anybody).
*no matter how it happened (injuries, new countries, happy spedning manager, whatever)

10) BB men said somewhere that managers who login frequently should get only a slight advantage. So I assume anything possibly damaging those who don't more as an approach in conflict with that philosophy.

Last edited by docend24 at 2/9/2009 3:34:07 PM

3)Time needed turn into a bot is there for a reason right?

Nothing to do with walkovers.

4) There are more important things than BB (well maybe not for you, you are here everytime) and some come unexpected.

An old, tired, and false retort.

5)When BB men can screw up things they do manually, indeed managers should be allowed to do mistakes without punishment too (NT palying both SC and cmpetitive games; 22years old players in U21; missing games in schedules,...)

Completely irrelevant to the discussion. It's obvious you have little idea on how to administrate a game of this scope.

6)There is no written note in the rules about walkovers and of course no mention about necessary amount of players dressed to prevent a walkover.

Bet there will be.

7)Teams is not required to have money to buy scrubs just to fill places.

If this is implemented (and I wholeheartedly recommend it), then yes, they would.

8)It's up to manager how he dedals with game shape.

That's nice. He/she may need to deal with it in a different manner if this is implemented.

9)What if manager needs to lose a game and this is the only way to do this because of a poor competition* - for example second finals game (in this case it doesn't harm anybody).
*no matter how it happened (injuries, new countries, happy spedning manager, whatever)

Rules and regulations will never have "the ability to lose on purpose" be considered as a criteria for whether or not the change is a good one.

10) BB men said somewhere that managers who login frequently should get only a slight advantage. So I assume anything possibly damaging those who don't more as an approach in conflict with that philosophy.

There's a difference between logging in a couple times a week and once every 7 weeks.


Again, I wholeheartedly support this proposal, and recommend it be implemented for Season 8.

4)

An old, tired, and false retort.


6)
Bet there will be.

7)
If this is implemented (and I wholeheartedly recommend it), then yes, they would.

8)
That's nice. He/she may need to deal with it in a different manner if this is implemented.

9)
Rules and regulations will never have "the ability to lose on purpose" be considered as a criteria for whether or not the change is a good one.

10)

There's a difference between logging in a couple times a week and once every 7 weeks.


Again, I wholeheartedly support this proposal, and recommend it be implemented for Season 8.

4) Huh? Really. Get a life. (no offense intended)

6)Completely irrelevant to the discussion. Now is now.

7) I don't count required unless it is not forbidden not to have.

8) An old, tired and false argument. These types of games are about trying to get as good as possible within limits given by the rules. Period.

9) The game should not force players to do so at first place. There are obvious choices when you want to lose on purpose if you want to act rational. I don't like it but can't blame anyone for losing those games.

10) you don't get it, do you? If you wouldn't log in for seven weeks you are not in the game anymore, you are bot. if you login couple times a week you are fine. If not you MAY have been in trouble. If you logn 1-2 times per 2 weeks (setting lineups in advance) you should not be punish for that if some nasty things happened to you meanwhile. You can have a walkover pretty easily if you logs in late friday evenings arranging an SC and set all lineups for the week - and if you don't use backups for a SC. I don't do it but it is a legitimate option to choose. I don't see much difference between buying 1k scrubs just for SC and then fire them before economic update and losing 25-0 in second finals - in both situations you do not harm anyone else and in both situations you uses parts of games where the game is unrealistic to your advantage. If you want to force people to buy scrubs for one game, as you obviously do, something is wrong with you.

This game should be both for obssesed players and casual managers who log in about once in a week (or even rarer, epecially if something happened in real life - injuries, crashed pcs, lost jobs, bankruptcy, whatever - you can't force people to have BB at first place).

For the record - I don't use 25-0 walkovers and don't support some things stated above. As long as they are not forbidden people can't be punished for using them.

It's obvious you have little idea on how to administrate a game of this scope.

So do you.

How skilled does one have to be to set default lineups and log in once or twice a week?

It's not that time-consuming, and the pros outweigh the cons.

If you really care you would get my points already.

I do.

I disagree with them, if you didn't notice.

I think we need to suggest a new change about WOs.
I think if a team loses by WO (-25), he should also lose the training for that week.

I say this because there´s a case in my league where the 2nd knows that losing just by 25 points he keeps his position. And i´m sure there are many cases like this around BB; so I think this is not fair for the competition, so this should change for next season.

To be honest, I think that rather than propose a change like this, the tie breaker criteria should be different. Instead of plus/minus, which can be rather arbitrary because we have little control over running up the score, I think that the game should use head-to-head records first, then conference records if necessary, and then go to plus/minus.

if you login couple times a week you are fine. If not you MAY have been in trouble. If you logn 1-2 times per 2 weeks (setting lineups in advance) you should not be punish for that if some nasty things happened to you meanwhile.

Are you serious? This would mean that we should remove injuries from this game or let players get injured only for current game. How hard is it to log on for before both league games? If your player get's injured and you have not logged in to compensate you should be punished...

This game should be both for obssesed players and casual managers who log in about once in a week (or even rarer, epecially if something happened in real life - injuries, crashed pcs, lost jobs, bankruptcy, whatever - you can't force people to have BB at first place).

Again are you serious??? Is it anyone elses fault than yours that you can't pay for your internet, throw your pc out of the window etc. Use internet cafe or free wifi areas (atleast our country has plenty of those). You make it sound like it is impossible to log in 2 times a week. Let BB's know when you have health issues so we can freeze this game for a month so you would not fall behind. Scouting your opponent just before the coming game is important (he might of had injuries and just started to use different tactics that might change your tactics).

+it's pointless to buy scrubs for 1k if you can have below 1k salary players on your team if you really need scrubs;)

Again are you serious??? Is it anyone elses fault than yours that you can't pay for your internet, throw your pc out of the window etc. Use internet cafe or free wifi areas (atleast our country has plenty of those). You make it sound like it is impossible to log in 2 times a week. Let BB's know when you have health issues so we can freeze this game for a month so you would not fall behind. Scouting your opponent just before the coming game is important (he might of had injuries and just started to use different tactics that might change your tactics).

As you could notice it is not my case. Point of this was if something bad happens to someone in RL, ruining his results, he/she can say no - well, at least training went well. If teams which don't care at all (I mean those who really don't) still getting their training (albeit not the most efficient one probably) why shouldn't a team which just happen to occur in a walk over.