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8033.3 in reply to 8033.2
Date: 11/23/2007 9:06:14 PM
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I'm not complaining about losing to a worse team - that's realism.

I'm complaining about dominating the game on every level and STILL losing, even though the bot team is two levels below me, has a terrible team, and was outplayed in every facet.

My matchup ratings were between twenty and *fifty* points higher at EVERY position. My team ratings were a full level higher at EVERY position. Based on performance in the game it should have been a blowout.

This is like the Celtics losing a tight game to a high school team, even though in the GAME they played like the Celtics and the high school team played like a high school team.

This isn't a 'random factor', this is ridiculous.

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8033.4 in reply to 8033.3
Date: 11/23/2007 9:19:42 PM
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It most certainly is a random factor.

A much stronger team can still lose to a worse team, even though every indication is that it should be a blowout.

Ask the 1980 USSR Olympic hockey team about it.

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8033.5 in reply to 8033.4
Date: 11/24/2007 12:24:35 AM
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..yea, but that game wasnt a "random" it was a "one in a million"! ;-)

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8033.6 in reply to 8033.5
Date: 11/24/2007 4:56:01 AM
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I actually wont dispute that, just sucks that someone has to be that one.

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Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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8033.7 in reply to 8033.6
Date: 11/24/2007 10:22:32 AM
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It's absolutely ridiculous - I've lost games I should have won before and shrugged them off as chance or bad luck or whatnot.

But even WITHIN this game the my ratings dominated, and I still lost.

That's not randomness, it's a bad algorithm. And it definitely deflates my interest in this game...if there's is an utter lack of realism to the game, what is the point of playing?? So that bottom level bots can win the cup based on intentionally programmed randomness to purposely create tension and pseudo-excitement even though it contradicts any shred of realism the matchup might have had?

Upsets happen - but junior hockey teams don't win the Stanley Cup, just as Darlington won't be winning the FA cup any time soon, and any NBA team would thrash the high school level national champions...

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8033.8 in reply to 8033.7
Date: 11/24/2007 10:36:44 AM
Freccia Azzurra
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Well, for me a % of random in the game is acceptable maybe I will check a little bit how much a victory can change the income of the merchandising because a defeat due to the random is not only a defeat but it means also money.

My 2 cents only to say that "I love this game"

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8033.9 in reply to 8033.7
Date: 11/24/2007 12:45:31 PM
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That's fine and all, but you're not a top level team, either.

It's not absurd to believe that a 4th division team can beat a 2nd division team.

In fact, I am a top division team and I lost to a 4th division team in the 1st round, and it's just a fact of life.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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8033.10 in reply to 8033.7
Date: 11/24/2007 1:00:14 PM
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Your kinda mistaking the divisions of the game at this point.
There is no real difference between a div.6 or a div.1 team.. The real difference between divisions has not been defined yet, for the game is still 3 seasons young.
Every new team gets roughly the same amount of skilled players, even if you have bene put in div 1 or div 5.

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8033.11 in reply to 8033.10
Date: 11/24/2007 10:14:20 PM
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You had a higher matchup rating on each position but the other team had more attempts mainly because you had much more turnovers. You can only assume that you get an advantage on matchup ratings there if you have equal shot attempts.

You had 2 more FGs but he had 5 more 3 pointers. equal FTs, rebs, assts..

That equals a 1 point win..

I emphatize with you.. had my share of tough losses but you're still 3rd place. its not the end of the world.

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8033.12 in reply to 8033.11
Date: 11/24/2007 11:25:32 PM
1986 Celtics
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a couple things to consider...although you dominated at every position except PF, it was exactly his PF that took most of the shots.... its not a bad algorithm in that the matchup ratings really show you what the expected value of points should be and we are assuming independent probabilities of shots...so there really isn't anything else to do.

looking at your game I think you'd win by 15 most of the time, but happen to lose this once.

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8033.13 in reply to 8033.11
Date: 11/25/2007 2:54:47 AM
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Okay, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a random factor - I'm 100% okay with that.

I understand that he had more attempts, and I do know how to count, so I do understand how the numbers add up ;)

If it was a divisional game I would have shrugged it off - I lost another 1 point game to a team I should have dominated in a divisional game and shrugged it off.

But it's a cup game against a bot team with worse players, worse ratings, that I should have dominated.

I should not have HAD more turnovers, since we were both playing man to man defense, and my team ratings are ALL higher than his, offense and defense. And my starters were all strong in practice.

Anyhow - I'm not going to bother saying anything else - it's futile since nothing can (or would, even if it could) be done about it. But I still think that this is *ridiculous*.

This game needs a LOT of growing up to do before it comes close to being realistic...

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