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Rebounding trains 1 level per 2 weeks. Typically (which means 18-19 year old players and a level 5 coach). However, the players you trained are not exactly typical.

Nouwen and Hartsuiker are quite old.

Bernlef and Ancic are quite skilled (possible cap issues; or if they're not close to their cap, this probably means their other skills are lagging -- which also slows down Rebounding training). On top of it, Ancic is ancient.

Kronenberg and Barzilay are, likewise, old.

All in all, I don't see anything unexpected here. Pops are not guaranteed at any point in time. Want more inside skill pops? Train younger, taller players.

All in all, I don't see anything unexpected here. Pops are not guaranteed at any point in time. Want more inside skill pops? Train younger, taller players.

I've seen 4 people on my national conference which claim they didn't have pops. Still it is possible there has been training. But what worries me is that I haven't seen a message which says: I had rebounding training today.

Now my case specific details in which you seem to have made some assumptions. Altough my situation doesn't matter when someone claims to have had rebounding training in NL.

First of all rebounding trains 18 yr olds with 1.75 weeks a pop with a level 4 / 5 trainer according to the training post on Global. For a 24 year old this would be 2,5 weeks according to the same post. Secondly I've got a level 6 trainer. Also rebounding isn''t the highest of the skills, accept by one player. Which I thought to have a positive effect on the trainingspeed.

I also think it's very negative to call players which aren't 18 old. Trainingspeed is influenced by age, but not that much that you're assumption 1 pop a 2 weeks don't work anymore. It might be that Ancic has reached his skillcap, but Bernlef probably hasn't. At least if so that would be extremely weird considering his potential, and above all his wage (the wage he would have by this skillset).

Chances are slim to have no pops, but it is possible, that's why I asked on my national conference, but no one has reported pops in rebounding yet. But there have been 4 saying they didn't have pops. And that's worrying because chances at that situation, are very very slim.

Yes, I've read this and aren't basing my findings on just 1 team. Also I'm quite aware of the factors considering training. But when this isn't enough I hope to see more reports from my country, although we aren't that big.

First of all rebounding trains 18 yr olds with 1.75 weeks a pop with a level 4 / 5 trainer according to the training post on Global.

Which is, at best, an approximation. The research in Global ignores all factors other than age, so attempting to draw inferences with a .25 week precision is a lost cause.

Also rebounding isn''t the highest of the skills, accept by one player. Which I thought to have a positive effect on the trainingspeed.

My impression is that this effect works by slowing down the the training speed of the high skill, not by speeding up the lagging skills. But then again this is just me. The jury is still out.

I also think it's very negative to call players which aren't 18 old. Trainingspeed is influenced by age, but not that much that you're assumption 1 pop a 2 weeks don't work anymore.

I am not making any assumptions I have a 7'4, 22-year old guy will not pop from 2 full rebounding trainings at this point. And my rebounding training definitely worked.

Chances are slim to have no pops, but it is possible, that's why I asked on my national conference, but no one has reported pops in rebounding yet. But there have been 4 saying they didn't have pops. And that's worrying because chances at that situation, are very very slim.

Not as slim as you might think, and it's hard to determine the slimness without knowing what they've actually trained.

Now one of those guys says he's been training ID, that isn't making my position any stronger. For now I'll assume it has been just bad luck, but when there will be more reports I'll be back.

Now one of those guys says he's been training ID, that isn't making my position any stronger. For now I'll assume it has been just bad luck, but when there will be more reports I'll be back.

Thanks for keeping an eye open. Typically, training malfunctions in its entirety, and not for a specific regime, so that's why I am a bit skeptical. But we appreciate your feedback.

There might be something real going on. Another dutch guy reported that he trained ID but it shows exactly the same pops as last week.

Dunno what to think about this, but those reports are weird.

Guys that reported problems (might be easier to look wether there is a problem or not)

(80626), reported 2 weeks without pops at ID. Can be standard.
(112412), reported the exact same pops with ID training as last week, I guess he means that the errors didn't dissappear.
(66494), reported no pops at RB training with 6 trainees, can be standard as well.
(66494), no pops, but can be standard as well.

All said, there might be nothing wrong, and some guys might see ghosts, but on the other hand it's worth to check it out.

There might be something real going on. Another dutch guy reported that he trained ID but it shows exactly the same pops as last week

This is something completely different -- it might indicate that training didn't run.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 5/15/2009 7:10:34 PM

Not completly different. Arsjitekt noted that his gameshapes changed (so training ran) but he thought the rebounding training didn't work.
I don't know about that guy, but if his gameshapes changed as well, training ran, but again he'd still see the same amount of pops as last week, which shows the ID part of the training didn't run.

I'll message the guy to ask what it is.

I asked the guy, and it's as I thought.

He says this player (8199940) popped last week at ID from 8-9 and BL from 2-3.

This week the green arrows stayed at ID (9) and BL (3), so basicly it says again the guy popped from 8-9 and 2-3. His gameshape did change, so training happened.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 5/16/2009 9:17:06 AM

If game shape changed, but the up arrows from the previous week didn't, then something is definitely wrong.