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I think now it can be diffucult for you to rise to Div I, but in some seasons (maybe 10 or 20). Competition will be so strong i the first division that their salaries cannot allow them to make any money, they may even lose money every week. In div II you may gain 100k each week and you can reach a point where you can climb over the edge with the 1m extra.
I think it is because the game isnt in equilibrium yet.
I hope this makes sense:-)

no salaries aren't going to continue to rise for the top players indefinitely... this was the point of the new salary formula.

people are not going to be losing money or earning money hand over fist in the future.

also, when you promote more fans show up to your games, so you will get more fans and can charge higher prices.

the whole point of many of our adjustments lately has been to make that transition between divisions a more manageable jump.

I think now it can be diffucult for you to rise to Div I, but in some seasons (maybe 10 or 20). Competition will be so strong i the first division that their salaries cannot allow them to make any money, they may even lose money every week. In div II you may gain 100k each week and you can reach a point where you can climb over the edge with the 1m extra.
I think it is because the game isnt in equilibrium yet.
I hope this makes sense:-)

Not necessarily true - check Hostivař's (No.3 of the world rank) payroll. And I'm pretty sure he will avoid any high slary deathtrap - so if it is done carefully a dominating team would still make a big profit.

it doesn't make any sense to run a team at a profit... i mean if you are talking about long term profit. You should be spending every cent you have in the long run. Sure you want your weekly operating income to be net positive, but you are just saving to spend it on something else later. Its not like you are getting some benefit from having money in the bank, you can't cash it out of the game, you can't pass it on to your grandkids.

Conversely it makes no sense to be running your team at a loss.. there is no investors going to bail you out, there is no loan you can take on. This argument that everyone in a top division is going to be forced to lose money to compete is simply fallacious... everyone can't be losing money, its not a good strategy in the long term... a team with a better more financially conservative strategy will beat you. Though it is true we don't want the best players to be unaffordable, cause that is sort of silly.. and that's the reason for the new salary changes.

All that really matters is that
1.Everyone can compete if they plan well on the level they currently are playing at.
2.There are advantageous to being in higher divisions to offset the increased competition people will face.
3.That it is possible for a team once promoted to a higher division to compete once they too are receiving these advantageous. This is one of the reasons behind the arenas changes.

you can't cash it out of the game

That sounds like a fine Supporter feature.

Its not like you are getting some benefit from having money in the bank, you can't cash it out of the game, you can't pass it on to your grandkids.

I'm sure I can answer and for sure you'll understand my reply. About the sentence here above there are 2 aspects to consider: 1) I remeber very well season 8 and season 9. Teams that sold every players at the end of season 9 had the money that worthed 5 times more, imho this should never happened again
2) If you want to spend the money you're talking where you can invest it? Not in the arena (capped), in specialist you can invest one time per season (in general not huge cash) so I can see only one way to spend the money = transfer list.
If what I've written is correct the prices can only go up (probably slowly but still up)

Though it is true we don't want the best players to be unaffordable, cause that is sort of silly.. and that's the reason for the new salary changes.

I disagree on that, you should let free everyone to decide which is the best player to buy and to pay. I think that some teams in BBB showed that is not necessary to have people that costs 400k/week to be competitive, these are monster bad buit you should have only to avoid the creation of teams that train these monsters only for the national team; could you tell me why you want to give a value to players trained at lvl 20 in one or two skills, it is necessary that these players will continue to exist giving them a value in the market?

About your point nu.3 it seems to me that 1m from second to first division is today a very small bonus, there are teams that prefer to win the tournament and not promoted...

it doesn't make any sense to run a team at a profit... i mean if you are talking about long term profit. You should be spending every cent you have in the long run. Sure you want your weekly operating income to be net positive, but you are just saving to spend it on something else later. Its not like you are getting some benefit from having money in the bank, you can't cash it out of the game, you can't pass it on to your grandkids.

Conversely it makes no sense to be running your team at a loss.. there is no investors going to bail you out, there is no loan you can take on. This argument that everyone in a top division is going to be forced to lose money to compete is simply fallacious... everyone can't be losing money, its not a good strategy in the long term... a team with a better more financially conservative strategy will beat you. Though it is true we don't want the best players to be unaffordable, cause that is sort of silly.. and that's the reason for the new salary changes.

All that really matters is that
1.Everyone can compete if they plan well on the level they currently are playing at.
2.There are advantageous to being in higher divisions to offset the increased competition people will face.
3.That it is possible for a team once promoted to a higher division to compete once they too are receiving these advantageous. This is one of the reasons behind the arenas changes.

I actually had a hard time to understand what are you reply to and have to search my post. Since iknow what you were replying to:

I wouldn't say that a team which is trying to win BBB (last year finalist) is runnning team for a profit, period. I can't see why he shouldn't have just players with sane and efficient impact : cost ratio - shich is what he is exactly doing and it is obvious that he is doing it well.

The point of my post was that it is simply not true that DIV 1 teams will be forced not to have best players lor to lose money. Pretty much what you said in the second article. Except I think that it may not be a bad thing if championship (Div 1) contenders would even lose some money if they wouldn't have build their team carefully. Simply to make closing the gap a bit easier for newcomers.


3) I don't think you chose the right way really. They just lost one way how to spend their money (or even get some from destroying the extra seats) and have them free to get another edge ovet those who didn't finished building arenas yet. Part of that will be flush out in near future but the wise ones could get long term advantage because they have money now to get the right impact/salary players or the best draftees of their nations.

Better way would be faciliating the life of teams in lower divisions. As a new Div 1 team I can tell (and it is pretty much a consenzus as much as I know) the difference between Div 1 and Div 2 is too big. It may simulate reality but I would say it is nto a desitrable feature. Also the promotion bonuses, cup income and surely starting money for new teams are too rigid and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to bound them the new "players organization" salary formulas, market prices or something to reflect current state of economy to ease start for teams who happen to join during inflation times.

i agree.. massive inflation is bad... we would like to avoid it.

this is why we now have mechanisms to tune the income to the expenses, so the total amount of money is better regulated in the game.

by unaffordable i meant in terms of salary.. in terms of transfer prices i agree with you.

1 million is surely not the only difference between first and second division.

pardon i think that i replied to you, in part simply because you mentioned making a profit, but really I was replying more general to some of the reasoning i saw in this thread.

as far as whether the gap is too big, we are monitoring the percentage of teams which promote and then immediately demote. I think its fair to say that is an important measure of the gap. Certainly you will agree that being in the top division for two seasons is probably enough to equalize out any advantage being there before gives.

I'd ask the community to think about what that percentage should be. For reference, remember 4/16=25% of teams demote every season, and so a guess of 25% would mean that newly promoted teams were just as likely as the average D1 team to demote. I would posit that the ideal percentage should be higher than that... but how much higher is an open question.. what do you think?

Thanks Forrest ;)

Only few words about the monsters; if they can be affordable they will still have a market, let them free to cost 1m/week no one will miss them.

About 1m I understood what you mean but if you want to survive in first division you must be competitive since the beginning and you can't do that with 1m.

Anyway you've got all the points, thanks once again ;)

. As a new Div 1 team I can tell (and it is pretty much a consenzus as much as I know) the difference between Div 1 and Div 2 is too big.

This doesn't have to be true. I certainly isn't in Holland, and I think we can compare Holland with Ceska, both medium sized countries.

Almost every season we got one or more teams promoted from D2 reaching playoffs immidiately. It even happened two seasons a promoted team made the playoff finals. This season we again got a team that promoted, and got a good chance to compete, reach playoffs, maybe even finals.

I might be in some countries, but it certainly isn't everywhere.