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From: Newton07

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Date: 7/1/2010 4:28:32 AM
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I don't want to discuss about the new system but I want to say that is not acceptable to have a big difference among II.1 - II.2 - II.3 - II.4; I mean that in our division the best player drafted is an 8k salary with potential 8, in another division the best player drafted is an 3k salary with potential lvl 6. To be fair the system must have more or less the same players.

I totally agree with you on this.
The difference in the draft lists among different leagues in far too big. And I am not talking about the best one or two players.

Just to make an example concerning the potentials (but the same can be probably said about salary, age, roles...). There was not a single draftee with potential 8 or above in my current draftee list, while there were 6 in the draftee list of SerieA two seasons ago.

Last edited by Newton07 at 7/1/2010 4:28:58 AM

From: Kukoc

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Date: 7/1/2010 5:27:20 AM
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TBH if you want everything to be equal, then there should be decent draftees only in div1, meaning their 3-rd round would be better draftees than div2 1-st round. We should not talk about guys over 1k salary at div5 level.
I like the changes, because now you have the suggested latter and no base draft points. You have a lot of options. You can scout early and see that those first 5 listed are not really decent and remove scouting investment. You can wait for the ASW and get to know all ages and height. You can go blind and draft Kwame Brown or Lebron James.
Everyone was saying how draft was boring etc. It is completely new now, with a lot of options and you can allocate your investments. Is draft the best it can be?, don't know but it's definately a major improvement.

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Date: 7/1/2010 5:31:42 AM
AS Barroom Heroes
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TBH if you want everything to be equal, then there should be decent draftees only in div1, meaning their 3-rd round would be better draftees than div2 1-st round. We should not talk about guys over 1k salary at div5 level.
I like the changes, because now you have the suggested latter and no base draft points. You have a lot of options. You can scout early and see that those first 5 listed are not really decent and remove scouting investment. You can wait for the ASW and get to know all ages and height. You can go blind and draft Kwame Brown or Lebron James.
Everyone was saying how draft was boring etc. It is completely new now, with a lot of options and you can allocate your investments. Is draft the best it can be?, don't know but it's definately a major improvement.

What??

That would be the exact opposite of equal. The strong would get stronger and the weak weaker. The balance he was talking about is between draft pools in all divisions, with which I totally agree.

Last edited by SpicyMcHaggis™ at 7/1/2010 5:31:55 AM

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149547.33 in reply to 149547.32
Date: 7/1/2010 5:52:14 AM
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Yes, but everything can't be equal with random involved. That's the point. Some seasons your draft will be weaker some years stronger. It's not like every IIdiv league is equal in strenght, hell not even different sides of one league are equal. With this new system you can check your draft early. If it's not what you like then keep your money for the TL at the start of the season.
It would be pointless to put all the great draftees to Vdiv aswell, as most of them would just go to waste. So learn to enjoy a bit of random.

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Date: 7/1/2010 6:15:07 AM
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I agree with you completely.

This topic was brought up in the draft pick questions thread as well. Either people don't understand what random means. IMHO or they're just bitching because they didn't get a nice draft pick.

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Date: 7/1/2010 6:24:50 AM
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or maybe there's someone who thinks that the game would be more enjoyable if the quality of draft classes become a bit more "regular".
i'm one of those that think that the quality of top prospects in draft pools is too much different from one pool to another.
i understand what random means and i'm not bitching: i just happen to have a different idea than yours.

to all posters: please avoid flaming and use rational arguments to discuss. remember that people can have different opinions and all of them can be legitimate.

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Date: 7/1/2010 8:07:20 AM
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I think you are giving too much importance to the baseline rankings. As we said, this is ranking is a very rough guideline. Since botteams don't scout, they use this guideline. I don't expect to see the top talents ending up at botteams all the time. Sure botteams might get a better overall player than in the old system, but I don't think it's gonna be a huge change in leagues with 1 or 2 botteams.
The reason we removed the random picking of botteams to this system, is that teams in a league with lets say 14 botteams got too much of an advantage above other players. They could and win most games, and pick the best talents. If you are in a league with that many botteams it will certainly be somewhat harder to get the best talents, but for most managers (there are few leagues with that many botteams) you won't see much of a change.

From: CrazyEye

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149547.37 in reply to 149547.22
Date: 7/1/2010 8:21:26 AM
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I agree on this one with you. Why can't bot players be left aside and take what's left? Of course it would give advantage to those who are in leagues with a lot of bots but then at the same time, they would actually have a chance to catch up quicker with the teams in the higher division and the number of bot teams probably (just probably because not sure on this) doesn't variate that much in the same division (lets say from V.1 to V.2). Just to strengthen the argument, national teams (U21 and NT) are worse off with bots picking randomly and this especially applies to weaker countries with fewer managers, where few good players taken on by bot teams can make all the difference for them! Parden my not excellent English, had a bottle of wine tonight ;]



but it makes it unfair, betwen the league, if you take your example, with V.1^and V.2 compare V.1 with V.60, which will be a better comparision.

Because if in V.1 a manager left, you will get a new one pretty fast, in V.60 you most likely have some bots because, it just get filled when V.1-V.59 are full of humans.

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Date: 7/1/2010 8:24:28 AM
LionPride
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Still it could happen so can I offer a suggestion that when a team folds you send every player under the age of 19, and what you normally send, to the TL. It won't hurt because if the players are just awful they won't sell and will retire, but if they are NT hopefuls than they will sell and be trained.

From: Newton07

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Date: 7/1/2010 9:32:26 AM
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Yes, but everything can't be equal with random involved. That's the point. Some seasons your draft will be weaker some years stronger. It's not like every IIdiv league is equal in strenght, hell not even different sides of one league are equal. With this new system you can check your draft early. If it's not what you like then keep your money for the TL at the start of the season.
It would be pointless to put all the great draftees to Vdiv aswell, as most of them would just go to waste. So learn to enjoy a bit of random.

As you are an LA I suppose that you know the difference between the following two sentences:
a) I want everything to be equal.
b) the difference is too big.

Every time I write something here in global I get replies to something I haven't said... and that's pretty annoying!

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Date: 7/1/2010 10:10:41 AM
MightyMice
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The idea is that teams in mostly bot leagues can't finish really high in their league and also draft really well - as in real life, you get one or the other.


This is unfortunately not a good idea.

I had a discussion in NT forums about small countries. This season, SA had 12 human managers drafting. Luckily, bots picked bad players. Unluckily, I had just 12 players with potential 5 or above and not horrible skills (although skill+height cut it by a factor of 2). So, I am planning a "next mandate" (whoever will be the coach) with 5-6 players. If bots will draw some of them, SA will not be able to set a roster. And many other small countries. This cannot be "attractive" to new proud users. At least, country pride cannot be a factor to expand this game.

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