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What success is there in training a nice draftee? The point of the game is to win games right?
Buying a top prospect for loads of cash and spending one of your two training spots on that player for multiple seasons... The alternative cost for that investment is huge, don't you think?

Yeah yeah but that's also the case why it's so damn hard to build a flawless game and even a draft system. The game is built around trying to win games, hence the whole league system, and when people then start trying to do other things this leads to "strange" decisions which will have an effect on other managers as we're playing an mmo. I still believe that the fact that someone wants to pay excessive amounts of cash for a rookie is a bigger problem than the actual draft system.

nope sorry - Do not agree with changing the draft.

Fact - There are many users out there who know how to scout wisely, and draft wisely, such that they maximise their chances in the draft - Therefore, the draft is not flawed from this perspective. If user's can successfully do this, then you can to.

Fact - In real life, the draft will not always produce ATG players, as other user's have said, not all draft's are equal, sometimes in a draft, the top 10 will all be better players than the following year's number 1 pick.

Fact - Yes there is an element of luck in the draft. As others have said Greg Oden - poor old Portland have lost years and millions of dollars by not only drafting this injury prone guy, but then keeping him. A few seasons ago Cleveland didn't have the worst record, yet they got the number 1 pick again. And they could have traded that for lots of good players (eg: Sold him for $2.6m) - Did they deserve it? NO! Bobcats deserved it (at the time) - but luck played a part. As does the draft in BB.

So im sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the current draft system.

Agreed. Not even fully trained NT players go for that price unless they're an awesome small forward or something...

When we try to compare the NBA with BB commit a gross error of superficiality ..

In the NBA we talk about 30 teams who compete all the best players from around the world and can be included in their list any player accepts a candidate ..
All the teams in their list have had Lebron James, Greg Oden, etc. .. etc. .. but only one out of 30 could choose .. and there came into play the "ability" to pick him up ..

In BB, however, you can not choose between the best players in the world .. but only by a random list given to you without any possibility that your skills or your investment may intervene ..

While the NBA equity is given by the fact that they can choose between all the players and build the skill lies in the ability to have a choice of high or low, etc. .. BB in this basic fairness is not there .. and skills is then put even more into the background ..

And then say that in a long time the thing is balancing alone is an excuse .. There are thousands of sets .. how long it takes to be balanced? thousands of seasons?

Sorry for my english ..

nope sorry - Do not agree with changing the draft.

So im sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the current draft system.

FACT is that a draft system can only work in a closed environment, where you need to balance the economic disparity to provide a somewhat fair distribution of talent. As soon as you find yourself in a league system like in european sports a draft becomes useless.

Just think about that: a team is demoted, wins the lottery and picks a nice player - BOOM sold for 2,6 million. Do you think the demoted team will have problems to win the title in the lower division? Where is the fairness in this system?

With a seven digit amount you can buy two or three TOP players, thats a huge game changer and makes much more sense than training that 18yo retardo draftee you just got. Plus it fucks up the chances of your fellow leaguemates to compete themselves - so one little player suddenly ruins the experience of many.

The draft system like it is now, is totally wrong and something should be done about it. Imo a youth academy where teams spend money on the development of players they got there AND where teammanagers can decide what type of player they get, would make much more sense and fun.

Spend like 0-40.000 a week and at the beginning of each season you get to pick one player you want from your youth roster - ages 18-21 with skills that MATCH the current level of players we see at this age span.

OK yes, there are only certain elements of the NBA draft that are the same as BB draft - obviously it is not exactly the same.

All the teams in their list have had Lebron James, Greg Oden

Yes, but Lebron doesn't happen every season in the NBA does it? There in BB, you shouldnt have a $4k Hofmer every single season either should you? Hence why you get such variety in draft quality between seasons.

In BB, however, you can not choose between the best players in the world .. but only by a random list given to you without any possibility that your skills or your investment may intervene ..

Sure, and when Cleveland won their 1st round pick last season in the NBA, they had no choice to 'improve' the quality of the draft. they could only draft from what they are given. It might be the best in the world - but only at the current moment. people say that the last NBA draft was one of the worst in NBA history - And there is no amount of skill or investment that an NBA team could do to change this.

While the NBA equity is given by the fact that they can choose between all the players and build the skill lies in the ability to have a choice of high or low, etc. .. BB in this basic fairness is not there .. and skills is then put even more into the background ..

In NBA equity is given by the fact that they get to pick from everyone who nominates in the draft - yes that is true - So I think what you are saying, is that in the NBA (or any draft system), they know ALL the talent, not just the ones they scouted and i agree with you slightly here.
Remember - in NBA for example, they have a whole team of scouters, and pay them good money, to watch the college games, attend training sessions, do background checks, etc etc... If they didnt invest, then they wouldnt know anything about the player, other than height/age/box score.
So in essence, i think to be more closer to real life, BB-draft should supply at least height + age + Box score AND the box score should actually mean something. SO i do agree with you on this point.

Ill say it again, I use my skill and investment when i use the draft and im very successful at it. I use my skill during the season to manage my economy to get scouting points. Then i use my skill to use these points to successfully come up with a drafting list. I have a tactic, and i use it every 2nd season, and it so far, it has worked i think 5 times out of 6. So if I can work it out, then so can you! :)

Just think about that: a team is demoted, wins the lottery and picks a nice player - BOOM sold for 2,6 million.

How many times have you seen someone who does not invest in the draft, score a $2.6m player? Cmon seriously, in the ABBL, i dont think this has ever happened. maybe once.

However like you say, I think you have more problems with the economic disparity of a new draftee.

I agree that a HoF 18 year old should not sell for millions. But i dont think this is a problem with the draft.

I like your idea about a youth academy and i remember having good discussions about a D-league similar to your idea a few seasons back.
But the problem of having $2.6m sales of 18 year old draftee's would still happen? Wouldnt it not?

Buying a top prospect for loads of cash and spending one of your two training spots on that player for multiple seasons... The alternative cost for that investment is huge, don't you think?

The point is to train an unique player out of him; a player you can't find on open market or that doesn't exist at all. With such starting skills, you can create something you otherwise can't (for example, high JR skill on a big man or high SB on a guard). These unique skills usually take too much time to develop, unless they start at 6 or 7 like in this case.