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I played BB for 20+ seasons, quit and now I'm back since 4-5 seasons. I'm currently playing at Brazil II division, my arena has just been upgraded to 7,7k (from 7,1k) and I usually make of the average revenue of rivals who have arenas as big as 15k and thus have spent millions and millions more than me to end up making virtually the same money as I do. Of course I think an arena 7,7k big is not big enough, but it is more than big enough for a team which is 4-5 seasons old and plays at a II division.

So actually I'm writing this to thank the users who keep repeating ad eternum that newcomers should expand their arenas as top priority. This kind of advice makes my life here much easier, since it keeps new managers burying their hard earned money on seats they don't need instead of investing in trainees, players etc.

TRIVIA

a 10k arena can make more money than a 20k arena due to the:

a) weather
b) cheerleaders
c) manager's charisma
d) tickets' prices

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 8/24/2015 5:18:16 AM

my average receipts (7120 arena, before the recent update) this season have been $ 233k (playing since season 28)
average receipts of a rival with a 15050 arena $ 259k (playing since season 30)
another with a 29750 arena $ 288k (playing since season 12)
highest average receipt of my division 21750 arena $323k (playing since season 2)

my data is taken from Buzzer Manager, why should I lie? arenas in my division range from 7,7k (mine) to 31k; 13 are bigger than 12k; 10 are bigger than 15k; 7 are bigger than 20k; 2 are bigger than 30k; average receipts range from 323k to 179k.

my point is that my team is quite new (only 4 complete seasons). you cannot compare my situation with novo carioca's, for example, who plays since season 1.

in the beginning you can make money not expanding much and playing with prices. you can build carefully. there is no need to rush. your fan base grows with time. this game is a very long term game. i'll keep expanding slowly when my seats will sell out often with max prices. my plans are to promote in 3-4 seasons. by then my arena will be 10-12k, with max prices, it will make the same money as a 20k arena with lower prices and I'll have saved lots of money for other purposes. that's my plan. i'm pretty sure it will work.

I glanced at the numbers and most of the guys with larger arenas in your league are making over 250k a week. And none of them are really flush or perfect on pricing either. I think you should make over 300k minimum in DII. Making less than that I think you will struggle unless the league is week (see small nation status).

yeah as a reference to everyone and to provide some hard numbers:
• D3, I've seen guys with large arenas pulling over $210k in revenues every home game. Darkonako nearly finished this kind of arena last season in my Utopia D3 http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/276040/arena.aspx and every game earned him over 210k. You can do the math yourself if you are in D3 to how much more weekly cash 210k-220k will give you compared to what you get now
• D2, the best teams with large arenas can pull over $350k every game. I believe I was around $346k on average last season with a 17.6k seater. Again you can do your math and check how much more that is compared to your earnings. That's extra money you can pocket or use for players who will put you in contention for the title
• D1, the best teams earn significantly over 600k (the current top team in the English D1 is making over $620k a week). Here the difference between top and bottom is very large. If you rank at the bottom and don't win road games you may struggle to get to 500k even with accurate pricing

Usually you can safely assume that a top arena with correct pricing allows the manager to afford an extra starter compared to the average competition ($20k-30k in D3, $50k-60k in D2, $100k+ in D1). This is also why you can get away being closer to the average in lower divisions, because a $20k difference in salary (like $200k vs 220k) can be partially offset by salary efficient players for their positions. In D1 an extra $100k player (or 2 $50k players) is a huge advantage ($600k vs $700k roster) which is much harder to offset with efficient players (also because salary efficient players able to have an impact at that level will cost you a fortune).

Anyone feel free to correct the numbers above if you think they are inaccurate. This is meant to provide actual evidence of what a well built arena can net you at different levels. I've only played in DIV (in utopia) for a couple of seasons so I don't know what a large arena can net you there.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2015 6:33:45 AM

by then my arena will be 10-12k, with max prices, it will make the same money as a 20k arena with lower prices

Mate, you better be able to build a couple of million cash just to dedicate to the arena as soon as you win your promotion then. With a 10k-12k arena what exactly are you planning to do in D1? Say your arena is going to be 8000-3500-500-25. Even assuming you set prices at 20-50-180-1300, that will net you $457,500. If your arena is 18k you should be really approaching $540,000. So those 6k extra seats will pay you over 1 million in a season. 6k expansion (4k bleachers and 2k LT) costs 2.2 million. Therefore in 1 season you'd make back half of the expansion cost

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2015 6:56:05 AM

but those small arenas are no excuse not to succeed, per your philosophy, a large arena is a complete waste of money...

i never said that. what i said is newer teams do not need large arenas during their initial seasons. i said that advising newcomers to right away expand their arenas to 15-20k, a process which cost millions and millions, is bad advice. new teams should build carefully.

Free advice, spending 1million for 76k a week 30 year olds when you have no plan or ability to promote...is not going to help you in the long run...

Not planning to promote does not exclude the fact I should avoid being demoted. I must remain competitive and since I was promoted to div II I have managed to finish 5th or better in my division, which is my goal for the next 2-3 seasons. I bought the top scorer of the league with 110 TSP wonderfully distributed for only 1kk, in this inflation times he was a bargain for what he is able to produce, the cost-benefit of having him for 76k/week is very high, he will stay in my roster for 2 seasons and then will be sold for not much less than I paid for him; my salaries are below average in my league and I get a very decent weekly surplus, allowing me to afford comfortably paying 76k/week for him to grant my team to stay in div II while I keep improving my trainees.

Granted that Utopia is full of smaller arenas, newer teams...but those small arenas are no excuse not to succeed,

utopia is different from other countries, you get mostly experienced players as rivals and, since there are very few bots, the cup only lasts 1-2 matches for beginner teams, which strongly impacts negatively their finances; beginner teams now get stuck in the IV division making very little money; in my second season in utopia I currently have the best record in my IV division, 5-0, and cannot grant a decent attendancy even with low prices and no defeats; it's tough now, it would be worse if i had spent my money expanding an arena which would be even more unused for the moment; of course if i get promoted and start getting more money for attracting a bigger crowd I would expand. for teams who started in utopia in season 28 things were much smoother to get promoted and thus avoiding major finantial constraints.

given your complete lack of progress building your arena

that's not true; i expand my arena constantly; i've expanded more than 10 times in those 4 seasons; i just don't expand carelessly. again: my 7k arena makes virtually the same money than many 15-20k arenas you find around.

I want to take note, carefully, of your expertise as a 'successful' new team.

yeah, please, you are cordially invited to keep taking notes on the development of my team. my previous team, who played in Brasil Div I for 10+ seasons, was Brasil cup champion, Brasil national runner up twice, B3 record of 5-3, was built over a slowly built 15k arena with full prices. let's see.

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 8/24/2015 8:53:28 AM