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I agree with those saying that it should be possible to train an SF by playing hom on the SF position. it is just ridiculous that an SF is trained best by not playing hm (mostly) in the position he is aiming to become good in.

The logocal thing to me would be that he effect of training would depend on the tactic you choose. For instance, imagine you are training OD on all three positions PG, SG, and SF, then the guards should get 1 "unit" of training, while the SF should get e.g. half a "unit". On the other hand if you play a 3-2 zone, each of the three positions would get 1 "unit", i.e. in total the traing would be more efficient in this case (which is logical considering the chosen tactic).

if you have chosen 1 position training on SF, with MM tactics the SF would get something like 1.5 "units" of training, while if you play OD he would get 3 "untis" of training. It should of course be possible to set 1 position OD training on C and PF too, but hen the training would be very inefficient.

For me this would be more logical, while a the same time requiring better planning and skill, and compromising, to balance match and training efficiency.

Finally a possible effect could also be that if you have chosen e.g. 1 pos OD training on SF with a 3-2 zone, then the coach would take this in consideration when adjusting the tactics during the game. I.e. even if it would be a good reason to switch to a more inside oriented defense during the game, the coach would still keep the outside defense in order to maximize training. On the tactics page you might even have the choice to set "prioritise training", "priorities match result", "or balance training and match result", just as you can choose how the coach should handle substitutions and fouls today.

I thought it was. Unfortunately I have no material which could tell me what is depended and what is not.

It's funny how this debate follows the same arc every time. One side cites real examples of SFs (Lamar Odom in this thread, in the past Scottie Pippen gets a lot of mention) and tries to use logic as it makes BB seem more realistic (i.e. the real SFs don't play PG to learn how to dribble the ball, they learn in practice and then in the game they are used as one the three players on the court along with the guards to bring the ball up or to dribble a lot). The the other side says things like how it's not fair to switch SF training methods since "by golly the current way is how I train my SFs and I'm a martyr for taking the high ground and doing something really challenging."

I think the fundamental questions here are:
1.) Is BB is willing to take a long hard look at whether or not the current system for training SF (and all positions for that matter) is the best it could be for the game? (If the answer is yes, then no need to proceed to Question #2.)
2.) If there is a better system for training, can an improved system be implemented in a fair way? (If the answer is yes, then it's a no-brainer that it should be done.)

it's not that easy.
in this topic training for SF is discussed, but if the BBs are to change anything about training, they will need to revise the entire thing, as there are other points that could be discussed as well.
driving for instance, and handling are in a lot of trainingtypes as secondary, while passing is in none. there's positions that can get certani types of training, and a lot of other points to take a closer look at, because the last thing they would want is to alter the system, only to discover a new thread about a training change proposition.
So just answering the questions and implementing the SF training if they are yes, is no road to take.

Also people claiming they are taking on a challenge by training SFs in the current system are not martyrs. they just do what they say, taking on that challenge, because the want to, not to be martyrs. Believe me, it;s not the people training the SFs at this tmie that want the change, it's the ones that are not training them, but want to, that are requesting it, because they want to do it the easy way.

Personally I wouldn't mind either way. If the BBs decide there are enough people that want it to change, and they change it, and it's no longer a challenge, I'll find something else which is challenging to me. I have no problem with that.

It's also not right to try to stop discussion by simplifying it all into a few questions that would solve the entire topic here.
In order to get a clue at how many people want things to change, the BBs want the discussion to go on, not extinguish it, as it will not give them the needed info.

training is BIG in BB-world. if it is ever going to be changed, there better be a large majority in favor of changing it. ;)

Also people claiming they are taking on a challenge by training SFs in the current system are not martyrs. they just do what they say, taking on that challenge, because the want to, not to be martyrs. Believe me, it;s not the people training the SFs at this tmie that want the change, it's the ones that are not training them, but want to, that are requesting it, because they want to do it the easy way. :)

Great! I totally agree with you !

Anyway, it wolud be nice to have a train that improves ID and OD at the same time but not very fast. You wold need to change positions if you want to train one faster than the other and to train pass, rebounds, outside shoting,... training a good SF would steel being dificult but not that much.

I train SFs and i am hapy with their contribution to the team even not playing in their perfect position.

The thing that is the real problem is the thing that was identified by the very first post in this thread. Whatever player you want to train you have to train him as a C or a PG and that simply isn't realistic. There is exactly ONE single position training that I am aware of that isn't C or PG and that is JR for SG. Why is there no skill at all that is best served by playing as a forward as some sort? Why are PGs best at everything?

I think that it is because the more you go to the middel of the list PG-SG-SF-PF-C, the more the skills have to be divided over the entire range.
if you take the outer ends, PG and C, they have most single position traingtypes, because they have most specific need of skills...

wingmen and forwards and guards and even teamtrainings do exist as well, and are perfectly okay as trainingtypes.

There isn't any type of training that you would only trani your SF in. ANY type of training you want to give to your SF, is usefull for at least 1 other position on the field, and I think that is why you don't find single position training for SF.

Not saying it is good, or supposed to stay that way, or any other thing one might try to make of my answer. It's just an answer to the question why there is no single position training for SF...

5 seasons traning SF's and yes i prefer a change to make the training a little bit easier and im not the only one saying this...

5 seasons traning SF's and yes i prefer a change to make the training a little bit easier and im not the only one saying this...

as you say it: a littlebit easier.

Getting single position training for SF spot would make it a lot easier.

I'm not sure if this is something you prefer or not, let us know, and all other people training SFs too, please tell us how you think about it.

I think the training system is fine as it is. I'm training SFs and I find it enjoyable (for now at least).

Because right now you don't have to use him at the wrong position. Training a SF means that 90% you have to use him at his weakest position and you have the outcome of your training at the deep end.

I planned to train a SF but i change my mind, theorically the player need 83 weeks to be the SF i want.
Here the training position :

1 : 15
2/3 : 9
3/4 : 2
4/5 : 20
5 : 22
Team : 15

So i could use him at the SF spot only 26 weeks. So basically i will pay him a lot for almost no real impact till i finish his training it's a little bit too hardcore.

Last edited by Cydius at 3/1/2011 10:18:08 AM