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1) I've brought examples from the largest BB-nations (that I've found). This was how I've selected them.
You have brought 4 small / very-small BB nations and two that are big ones.
It affects the statistics.
When there are more users, there is more chance to have a good manager prior of season-4. Being a bad manager will just not work anyhow.
[Meaning, that (for example) when you have 20% good managers, but has just 10 users, you will probably see 14 new users at the first league. When you have 100 users, then they already found their place on the first league]

2) In addition, I gave an example about ABBL, where I've explained why there are more teams post season-4 there.
I've searched season-4 on that league and wanted to see what have happened to them.
The answer had been basically, on most cases, that - they got bored and left the game.
For other cases the answer had been that they weren't good enough managers from the first place and it was just pure luck to get there on this single occasion.

3) Even a marathon has a finish line before a new marathon starts, and winning the first marathon should not affect the career of a marathon athlete.
Why now, when we are on season 18, there are (much much) less teams who are from season-5 until season-8 than those who are prior to season-5?
They should have close numbers, as the time should not be a factor after 9 seasons past from season 8 finishing.
The answer is that there is a problem, and the joining-time has THE major role between managers with the same skills on this competition.

4) No one spoke of eliminating the competition. It is all about making it a real one...
The NBA added their soft and hard caps, exactly for that.
Having a real competition between teams from different market's size.
Being from earlier season, and by that having more assets, is parallel to that.

5) I believe that although this game is really great, there is a reason for its not big numbers of users (at least not what I've expected when I've started my research).
The reason is that for those who were in the first division it is getting boring - they have to much money so there is no excitement (nothing happens to them for better or for worse), and some of the features just does not relate to them - already got to their cap of arena seats, etc.
Those who are not, just get frustrated, as they find that it is not about being a good manager and running the marathon, but it is just a single never lasting marathon where some of the teams just happened to be on the 21KM when you joined the game/marathon, and there is no chance catching them (as it is a single marathon, and they are as skillful as he does).

Last edited by Pini פיני at 11/10/2011 1:53:42 AM

can't you side that you are in a great minority

Have you happened to see who is being part of the discussions in this forums?
Mainly those who are (by fact) enjoying the benefit of this wrong system.

And why didn't you relate to the FACTs written at the start of the thread?
I guess they does not suite your needs/benefit...

Why now on season 18 there are (much much) less teams who are from season-5 until season-8 than those who are prior to season-5?
They should have close numbers, as the time should not be a factor after 9 seasons past from season 8 finishing.

As I wrote, those who got to the first division, had done that due to other leaving the game, and not by getting to beat them.

You were last on your first season and promoted the next. You avoided relegating and your are off to a great start without a great team. Focus on your team, have fun and stop fighting against the majority.

1) On the first season I practically joined on the relegation round or a game or two prior to that.

2) Majority are majority of teams who are explyting this issue.
Majority does not make it right (Galileo Galiley).

3) Why aren't you relating to the facts brought at the start of this thread?

You got a BB reaction and I'm sorry it wasn't in your favour. You also opened twice a thread about a closed subject. Respect the GM or we'll have to lecture you about the rules.

This one is closed and I'm hoping you will not open another quickly. You want only the attention of a BB ? I give you an advice. Spam by BB-mail BB-Charles, BB-Mark or BB-Ryan.

If you will stop closing threads that you don't like, I will not start new ones.

In addition, each of the three threads had different content on the same subject.
The fist had been a suggestion for improvement.
The second discussed whether the game is competitive for new users.
This third brought facts regarding the subject.

It would have been best if it was written from last to first, but it just did not.

If you wouldn't close them (because they did not suite you), all can be part of the same thread.
There was NO reason to close those threads.

To Pini: Actually there is a reason for closing this thread. It belongs in suggestion forums.

To GM-Foto and everybody else: the wisest thing to do in order to not continue this fruitless conversation is just to stop replying. BBs saw Pini's suggestion and it's on them now to act or not. Our debating will produce nothing but pointless, angry or insulting posts.

oh yes, again the word FACTS,

there's a popular saying, change your vinyl, if you know what I mean

and one more suggestion, maybe this will help,

I assume you must be Rocky Balboa fun - never give up, writing your FACTS til the end,

but for BB users you're more like a Don Kichote

PS: ask somebody who has a supporter to make a poll, whether people want your changes or not, this is the best solution

Last edited by miwman at 11/10/2011 2:58:22 AM

If you look at the English Football League system, which most closely resembles Buzzerbeater-
The majority of the teams in the Premier league (Div.1) were established in the 19th century and have been in the top division for a while. There are a few teams that sneak in and make it to the top division such as Wigan but they are the minority. The powerhouses remain the powerhouses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League

Just my two cents and a real world example.

And when I first saw the other thread of "is BB competitive for new players?" I immediately though, it sure is!

Because I've played many online manager games where it's impossible to even get out of the first division you were placed in. THat's not competitive. Having to spend multiple seasons just to become competitive in your first division is not fun. Needless to say, I very quickly quit those games.

Sure it is! But only in the greatest country of the world and some other communities with more than a couple dozen of users. If you join a smaller country you will be cannonfodder for a very long time.

LA-Koperboy:

To Pini: Actually there is a reason for closing this thread. It belongs in suggestion forums.

No, this not needs to be part of the suggestion forum. This thread brought facts (at its first message) and was created in order of discussing those facts.

It is not a duplication of "Is BB competitive for new users?" as the facts given on this first message where missing on that thread.

It is redundant to say that you hadn't respond to any of those facts that does not fit your needs and ambitions...