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From: Stauder

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203956.32 in reply to 203956.31
Date: 12/9/2011 11:43:52 AM
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Your an OSU fan so I dont think you will concede anything, but here's a shot. First off, lucky was too strong of a word. Agreed. However, that OSU defense wasn't even a top 5 of the BCS era. Heck, Miami's offense wasn't as great as you make it out to be that season either. I don't think 2009 Florida was the top defense of the BCS era, but they only allowed 14 points to the OU team that broke every college football record for offense that season, including points scored per game. Heck OU's defense in 2000 was better than OSU's....they shut out an FSU offense that was as good as 2002 Miami's. Bama has had 2-3 defenses better than OSU's that season and so has LSU. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying OSU was not a great team that season, they were an underdog for a reason though. They did win with defense, but that doesn't make it the best in the BCS era.

Also, by "shut-down" Willis McGahee, don't you mean injure him? haha, I know it was in the 4th, but he was on pace for almost 100 yards rushing with 67 yards and 1TD. Not exactly shutting down, but he didn't go crazy. The buckeyes had 2 big time defenders in Smith and Gamble, but overall you can't say it was one of the best defenses of the entire BCS era IMO, although they were very good. Hey I actually rooted for OSU that game....hated those Miami teams, but I think they were one of the weakest BCS title winners. All that matters though is that they won...and no it wasn't by luck. I misspoke.

As for LSU being overrated....maybe. However, their offense just as good if not better than the previous 2 national championship teams from LSU. Heck, the last one had 2 losses! I agree that college football as a whole is down, but that doesn't mean LSU isn't a great football team. Are they the best? Not at all, but they compare favorable to a lot of the great teams of the last 20 years. Top 5? Probably not. Better than Bama? Well they beat them on the road and they SHOULDN'T have to prove it again. They should get to play Okie State and prove they are better than the big 12 CHAMP. The media bias doesn't like the big 12, but the computers listed it as the toughest conference...and Ok state had to play every single team in it. Bama didn't even play South Carolina or Georgia. But that's another argument...

From: Stauder

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203956.34 in reply to 203956.33
Date: 12/9/2011 4:31:01 PM
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It's awful? They have scored a ton on every team they played outside of Alabama....and Alabama could have the best defense of the BCS era, imo. So I would say that it is pretty darn good.

You can mention 12 in the two deep, but only two starters stick out and that's will smith and chris gamble. Gamble is a solid pro and Smith is a great DE. FSU's offense was DANG good...and they had a heisman trophy winning QB because of it.

As for tough to compare, sure I agree with that. It also helps having a month to prepare. That's why most NC games aren't shootouts. However, how can you call 2008 LSU the best LSU team in the last 15 years? They lost 2 games! '03 lost 1. This season they haven't lost at all.

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203956.36 in reply to 203956.35
Date: 12/9/2011 8:52:34 PM
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Hold up....Flynn was better than all the other QB's at LSU in the last however many years???? A guy that could only win the starting job for 1 season and didn't play all that much before then???? Come on man! Flynn was average, period. Russel was better than Flynn and Russel wasn't a great college player either. He was all SEC his junior year, but again, the SEC is not a QB conference most years.

Here is his Senior season stat line: 202/359 56.3$% 2407 yards 21td 11int

I am pretty sure I could find other LSU QB's with ease (including average Jamarcus) to beat that stat line. Jordan Jefferson this season won't beat that stat line, but he has been far more impressive than Flynn. Just look what he did against Arkansas and Georgia the last couple games of the year. His running ability gives that offense a far better dimension.

That squad actually lost to Kentucky (18th) and unranked Arkansas and gave up more points than this year's LSU team that had a tougher schedule and many stories and stats have been written of how this season's run by LSU is the most impressive in not just the BCS era, but in the entire modern era of college football. They have beat 3 teams ranked in the top 3 in the BCS and 8 ranked teams overall. The big east champ and the pac 12 champ...and did it more impressively than the 2008 squad WITHOUT the 2 losses. If they beat Bama again then they will have beaten the number 2 team twice and the number 3 team twice. Nobody in history has had this schedule...NOBODY.

Just for the record, i love a good debate...especially if the other person is not an idiot, which is hard to find. That's why I don't mind going back and forth right now.

Also, I HATE the SEC....LOATHE it. I am a Big 10 and Big 12 fan and I live in SEC country. I too, hate the media bias and agree with the computers that the Big 12 was the strongest conference top to bottom. I can't ignore the non-conference and conference schedule that LSU ran through this season though. Just think if you add South Carolina and Georgia in the regular season of the SEC...crazy.

PS, the 2003 LSU defense was better than the 2008 defense. OSU scored 24 in 2008 with a lesser offense than OU, who only could muster 14 in '03.

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203956.38 in reply to 203956.37
Date: 12/9/2011 10:09:55 PM
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You can downplay all you want, but nobody has went through that strong of a schedule...ever. Oregon is a very very good football team. I don't know what game you watched, but I think it's okay to get down early to a top 10 team and then go on to absolutely blow them out. It was a very impressive win and their defense only gave up 10 points to a very good offense in Arkansas...led by maybe the best play caller in the college game. Is West Virginia as good as OU/Baylor? Maybe not...but they are better than Penn State for sure....now you could say Nebraska is the 4th big ten team and then I would say it's a toss up. Regardless, every single year you can rationalize teams being overrated and not worthy of their ranking. South Carolina is a prime example this season among many others I'm sure...but as you go down the line most of them can be broken down until you think they are, but if everyone is overrated is anyone really that overrated?

As for Matt Flynn....he has already exceeded expectations in the pros by stepping on the field! lol Round 7, pick 208. Close to Mr. Irrelevant, but has been a pretty good backup to Mr. Rodgers.

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203956.40 in reply to 203956.39
Date: 12/10/2011 9:48:00 AM
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So is this best teams of alltime or just the BCS era, cause '95 nebraska has my vote. Though '01 Miami was stacked. To say '02 was the same team is a bit misleading, they notably lost: Shockey, Reed, McKinnie, Rumph, and Portis.

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203956.41 in reply to 203956.40
Date: 12/10/2011 2:00:33 PM
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It's just as misleading as listing all of the stars for the '01 team, even if they didn't start or play significant minutes. McGahee Replaced Portis and was better. Winslow replaced Shockey and was just as good. Sean Taylor replaced Ed Reed (might have slid to the opposite safety, but he did not start the previous year), Vernon Carey and Antrell Rolle did not start that season either and did in '02. Those are all guys that didn't start that came in and were great players and in some cases better than their predecessor. Probably not McKinnie, but in college Sean Taylor was every bit as good as Reed imo. Combine all of this with the fact that the defense brought back almost their entire front 7 (only replaced an undrafted strong side LB) plus many of the backups including Wilfork and I'm thinking they were as good or BETTER. Jennings took over for Rumph and was also a higher draft pick than Rumph, just as Taylor was over Reed. Dorsey was a year older which is huge for a QB as well and he had another year with Andre Johnson...and we all know that the longer WR and QB's work together, the better the combo gets.

So yes, they lost 2 hall of famers and 2 pro bowlers plus Rumph. However, you aren't going to convince me that '01 was that much better than '02. AND I never said they were the same team, I said basically the same team (I think...i may not have even said that, i'm just too lazy to look lol).

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