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I'm not following you here.

A fixation is an obsession. It's not healthy. It isn't just thinking constructively about something, it is compulsively dwelling on it. Kind of like preacherman's incessant ad hominem attacks on the GM's and others -- not healthy either.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 3/16/2015 12:52:47 AM

A fixation is an obsession. It's not healthy.

Yeah kinda like the guy who has a team of uncles and grandpas and who has never trained in his BB career, but complains at every possible chance at the current training system. Whoopdeedoo. Vote a) for coherence or b) for hypocrisy.

Kind of like preacherman's incessant ad hominem attacks on the specific users -- not healthy either.

There fixed it for you so that you can say it to the mirror when you wake up in the morning!

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/16/2015 7:13:12 AM

Rec'd for truth.

I have seen 21yo MVP PF trainees with 15.2k salary going to waste. Choosing a policy because it's just simple to enact is just dumb, especially in an environment where the userbase has shrunk significantly and the market hasn't stabilised yet (i.e. there is a smaller market for players at all levels, but especially for mid and lower salary ones because there is no free agency for them).

When the userbase grows, it makes sense to reduce the FA influx to the market so that it doesn't deflate the transfer market too much (although you can make a case that this should be done by changing the way the starting price is calculated and not how free agents are selected), but when the userbase shrinks, you have to lower the limits to avoid hyperinflation (which is what we've seen in the last several seasons).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/16/2015 10:07:28 AM

It seems you are advocating for more lenient FA rules with lower salary as a threshold, that may happen relatively soon. For information, FA rules with higher salary threshold was also asked by users in the past.

I read a lot of threads from the past and I know what happened to Free Agency, but nobody really cares what happened 10-15-20 seasons ago under completely different conditions and with a completely different growth dynamic. Let's not play dumb please. I'm not insulting your intelligence, please don't insult mine. It's like talking about French rugby like it was still the 1910s and France was raped on the field every year by pretty much anyone, while we're in the 2010s.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/16/2015 9:06:35 AM

You don't know who was in favor of that. It was seasons ago. It came from various levels.

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FA rules with higher salary threshold was also asked by users in the past.

Had the wrong quotes, these are the right ones. You presented the current FA regime as requested by the users, you are therefore misrepresenting the situation by omitting when and why some managers requested that change. I highly doubt that the point made at the time would be still standing today or that any majority of users would back it.

And for clarity the change for the FA prices was done 3 and a half years ago. It was done for several reasons, but mainly because it caused deflation for the general market (ie. lower prices for all players given a skillset) and people did not want that. However back then sale "taxes" for the seller did not work like today, the game had 50k+ managers, you didn't have rules preventing new managers to bid on 250k/week players ecc ecc. It was a whole different set of rules and a whole different environment compared to today.

Perhaps we could ask Trainerman/Wolph if his points from back then still stand (since he was in total agreement with the BBs on the change, something someone will find hard to digest, I know, but look at this thread: (197331.1)).

I understand that, I was just making a point with Perpete that making it look like the changes were driven by managers in the past is misrepresenting the current situation. I think we all agree that the FA should be used to stabilise the TL depending on the overall situation of the game.

As you correctly point out, the issue is also the cost of training. With a 25k a week trainer for 6 seasons you are looking at a cost of over 2 million. Which means 700k each for 3 trainees or 1 million for 2 trainees. The easiest way to incentivise training was to make it into a legit money maker. Now they have removed other options (TL trading), but the reality is that training vs banking and buying is not necessarily profitable even now, with current TL prices.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/17/2015 8:41:12 AM