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31707.31 in reply to 31707.30
Date: 5/19/2008 12:43:36 PM
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Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me

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31707.32 in reply to 31707.21
Date: 5/19/2008 1:19:28 PM
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as was said before, tell Sir Charles Barkley that he can not get rebounds from a 7' player.
height is NOT the determining factor in getting rebounds.
1- speed of jumping
2- spatial ability to determine where rebound will be
3- strenght, to push away other potetial rebounders
4- heart
5- height

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Date: 5/19/2008 1:21:37 PM
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as was said before, tell Sir Charles Barkley that he can not get rebounds from a 7' player.
height is NOT the determining factor in getting rebounds.
1- speed of jumping
2- spatial ability to determine where rebound will be
3- strenght, to push away other potetial rebounders
4- heart
5- height

Another thing that is vastly overlooked is that rebounding is a team skill.

If every player on the floor boxes out properly, then even your 6-foot guard can step in the paint and collect the board. Sure, being big and strong helps, but it is by far not the only factor.

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31707.34 in reply to 31707.32
Date: 5/19/2008 2:19:08 PM
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you are right and now give me 5 NBA big men who are 6'6 or less that can rebound and play defense with true big men. Stanley Roberts does not count as a player to out rebound. We are talking starters vs starters in which allot of players are forgetting.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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31707.35 in reply to 31707.34
Date: 5/19/2008 2:26:50 PM
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you are right and now give me 5 NBA big men who are 6'6 or less that can rebound and play defense with true big men. Stanley Roberts does not count as a player to out rebound. We are talking starters vs starters in which allot of players are forgetting.

And how many 6'6 big men in BB can you train to NBA-quality internal scoring and internal defense?

I can give you plenty of 6'6 big men who play with success in the NCAA, the developmental leagues, and even Europe, but I guess you have your mind set again.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 5/19/2008 2:29:11 PM
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Another thing that is vastly overlooked is that rebounding is a team skill.


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31707.37 in reply to 31707.35
Date: 5/19/2008 2:37:23 PM
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ok give me 10 Euroleague players who can play with Scola or Marcus Goree. Then give me a player who is 195cm that can guard them It has nothing to do with what league you are in. I am in the top league in Israel and my players are not poor and I'm sure my competitions is not as well which means that some sense of reality should be put unto the game when i give the ball to my center who has 15 cm on his defender and he cant get a shot off is not realistic.. It does not have anything to do with what league they are in. It is basic that height and speed can help some players out.

There is no 195cm player who can guard a 210 player with even skills at any level in the world.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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31707.38 in reply to 31707.37
Date: 5/19/2008 2:50:46 PM
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ok give me 10 Euroleague players who can play with Scola or Marcus Goree. Then give me a player who is 195cm that can guard them It has nothing to do with what league you are in. I am in the top league in Israel and my players are not poor and I'm sure my competitions is not as well which means that some sense of reality should be put unto the game when i give the ball to my center who has 15 cm on his defender and he cant get a shot off is not realistic.. It does not have anything to do with what league they are in. It is basic that height and speed can help some players out.

There is no 195cm player who can guard a 210 player with even skills at any level in the world.

Of course it has everything to do with which league you're in. Sadly, some leagues are just better than other leagues, and it is not surprising that you find the best players in the best leagues.

Ironically, Luis Scola is 6'8, and he's doing pretty well against guys much bigger than him. Likewise, I've seen 6'8 Leon Powe and 6'9 Glen Davis match up pretty well with 7'3 Zydrunas Ilgauskas and 7'2 Shaquille O'Neal. OTOH, giants like 7'2 Bruno Sundov and 7'0 Nikoloz Tskitishvili were unable to stay on an NBA court for meaningful minutes, let alone have some impact.

Because the game is pretty young, people probably still consider proficient and prominent good skills for top centers. Do note, however, that these are just 2 levels above the best skill that can be produced in a drafted player.

I will go out on a limb and claim that when the player supply shakes out, top centers should have sensational or better inside skills. Good luck training a 6'6 guy to this level.

I will give you a short example: if you rotate training, a 6'9, 18 year old guy averages a level less on all inside skills than a 7'4. 18-year old guy. So a 6'6 guy probably trains at half speed as compared to a 7'4 guy. You do the math.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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31707.39 in reply to 31707.31
Date: 5/19/2008 4:28:20 PM
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Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me :)


I guess because he can play his center not as a SG but as a C and still train jump shot for example.

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31707.40 in reply to 31707.39
Date: 5/19/2008 4:29:07 PM
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Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me


I guess because he can play his center not as a SG but as a C and still train jump shot for example.

Extremely easy. Play him at PF -- this is possible right now.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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31707.41 in reply to 31707.40
Date: 5/19/2008 4:41:16 PM
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It was an example. Maybe some other training regime :) I didn't even check what is possible or not before I sent my message.

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