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I think Inside Defense and Shot Blocking should be separate skills -- ID is about positioning and strength -- pushing your man off the block, standing your ground etc. Shot blocking is about jumping and length and timing -- and often the involves a shot from an offensive player that the shot blocker isn't primarily guarding.

In the current system, I think its modeled as a one-to-one type skill. If a SG is shooting, then a SG will try to block the shot. In real life, if the SG has driven in, he may be facing a big man coming over to block his shot. Obviously, this only happens within a certain radius of the basket -- big men shouldn't be coming out and blocking 3-ptrs

I think the shot blocker should have a higher change of fouling. But rather than saying a player with high shot blocking is more likely to try to block a shot and therefore more likely to foul -- I think it would suggest that centers (and power forwards to a lesser degree) be allocated as shot blockers. They'd have additional chances to block shots, but also would have more chances of fouling. I think this works, because in general big men pick up more fouls. Seems like some of them are always riding the pine.

As for fundamental change in season 7...go for it! Give people adequate warning (maybe a season advance notice). You could also let people test the new chances in scrimmages.

Ultimately, you need to keep improving the game and those of us that understand the game, know that shot blocking isn't modeled correctly.


Steve
Bruins

with a short look over maybe 20 players with good and worse sb on center you don't see this correspondending ...

Most SB 10+ i see have less then 0ne block per game, like the guys who have seven ;)

I ussually see player liek this, leading in blocking stats -> (860657) if it really a center skills it should be better when even center could block some balls because they got trained in that. I don't know exactly how much blokcing he have, but i know that his manager don't trained him in Blocking ... The last 2 season i heard also from guards who are around top 50 in blocks worldwide, but i don't see a center who made that.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/7/2009 3:14:22 AM

Steve said it all, i think. Wise californian guy... ;)
Shot blocking is an important part of basketball, so it should have a certain importance in BB as well. I wouldn´t like seeing the blocking skill disappear totally but to get some influence in especially the C (and with some concessions to PF) performance. Therefore an "intelligent" game engine would help a lot, as it´s gard to measure the blocking skill just in one-on-one matchups. I don´t know if that can be done quite quickly or if a bigger change would be necessary (if you get rid of only one-on-one matchups huge things will have to follow...).

I just think we are mixing two things. Shotblocking on perimeter which is basically part of man to man defense - stretching out to block a shot attempt.And shotblocking inside - a) blocking a man you are guarding by getting a good defensive position and not being folled but pump fakes, dream shakes etc. and b) blocking ashot when you are not staying between the man and the basket by either help defense or chasing your man from behind (it could differ a bit whether the attacker is a guard who drived to the basket for a layup or a bigge man with a little bit of open space trying to finish strong - even dunk). I just don't know how those could be easily implemented into the game where mechanisms are strongly base on one to one game. Another thing is altering shots and level of risk you can take by shotblock attempt because of attacker low FT shooting percentages - that should be implemented too probably not exponential but by some coeficinet added to the formula resulting in better chanve to missed shot or blocked shot. I wouldn't go much for increasing foul rate much or at all. I think it should be more about being able to block that shot or not. Higher blocking skill should not hurt you.

I mean the blocking skill should act differently in game engine according to a position the defensing player plays on court (perimeter players could use it as an addition to OD or ID in case of driving to the hoop; centers should have it as a skill influencing opponents FG% to some extent).

Maybe even an option like Let them play/Sit them could be added into settings to adjust how much your centers and other frontcourt players should try to block shots to solve foul problems.

Sorry fo being a bit long.

I think we are not mixing things up, I agree with your proposals, this all would just help making the blocking skill more important. For now it just seems to be a one-on-one "can i block your shot or can i not block it" skill, with very few influence on the matchplay. It´s just the question how difficult all those changes are to be done by the BBs and how much it would change the game engine at all...

After all I don't have really great shotblockers so please don't rush things!:) (I'm unbiased on how it is affected by FTs I have both great and miserable FT shooters so far).

i have a question but perhaps a bit off topic


but whats the relation between defensa, shot block and fouls commited by a player ?


since i have excellent player in attackin against my rival with very bad defense (inside for example) yet my player never seems to draw enough fouls my guess if you guard a player which is many times better that you can defend you either give away 40 pints or foul him


in the other side of the field, the average player gets more fould for my player with average defense algo

then how is it decided in game about fouling ? why entire quarters with no fouls ? whats the poing of having depth in the squad ? sorry if this not belong here

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Yes,i think we are discussing the way to implement shot blocking if there will be a change
Shot blocking doesnt' make a player so stronger as some traineers wants
the second shot blocking player in the NBA is the reserve centre of Denver Nuggets...
A little less useful could became,but a very little

Steal is a gamble. When you are defending you have to stay in front of your man trying to make driving difficult for him, you have to be ready to put hand in his face and stretch out when he's going to shoot or you can try to steal the ball (either when he is receiveng the ball or he is having problems with handling in thep lay) But if you go for the steal and fail you are creating a hole in defense. So I can live with stealing as a part of defense skill - it just reprrsents how good decision maker the player in deciding whether he should go for a steal or not. There is no penalty in normal settings (correct me BB men if this is not true) for traing to get a steal, no harm to defense. There is only FCP which is more about traps and is more about team effort than about a decision of a defender in one on one situation.

Sorry for a bit off topic.