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From: GM-ksachs

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Date: 1/21/2009 4:04:08 PM
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the team was playing look inside for the record. It was my top defender on my team who was a 9 or 10 on outside defense at that time. I have also had one of my big men get fouled shooting a 3 and if i was the opposite teams coach i would not have guarded him for at least 5 feet from the basket.

My point is that never in my life as a player fan or coach seen the same defender or offensive player get fouled 3 times in the same game from 3 point range. Forget jump shots.

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From: Kukoc

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Date: 1/21/2009 5:07:42 PM
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You want to bet on that? 3 times fouled at 3 points range is rare but it happens and has happened plenty of times. It is not happening as often as here but remember the GE is playing position against position so basically when in real life you go doubleteam a PF outside shooter get's a wide open shot. Here noone goes for double team. Now even if the pf has bad range and he decides to shoot or a C then he will get fouled by inept outside defence PF or C. Based on my own playerbase and team experience.
BTW all near the backboard shots are actually counted as jump shots performed by big men and these get fouled a lot in real games aswell. Not everything is a driving layup or a dunk.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 1/21/2009 5:43:20 PM
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but you shoot another way in the near of basket, and you defend more closely and take more risk to foul someone or even try to get the foul + bonus freethrow^^

And shooting fouls ain't everytime from opposing players, and even if the engine is pretty much man to man is a bit in calculation.

From: Kukoc

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So just like in real life in BB you also foul more if the opponent is nearer to basket. + Just like in RL you get "and one" in BB on jump shots and shots near the basket.

As much as I can remember always shooting foul has come from the opposing player that plays the same spot as the shooter!
Only game end fouls can come from different player unless the sub frenzy has something to do with the fouls showing on wrong players...

From: ardain
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Date: 1/21/2009 6:01:44 PM
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I'm not as concerned about shooting fouls -that is fine.

I'm more concerned about the rash of non-shooting fouls my team has suddenly started to commit.

I had around ten fouls that were of the
"Foul called on X" variety.

I have no idea why these calls have started popping up more recently. My players have good defensive skills and are pretty balanced, so there is no obvious cause.

From: DerMef
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Date: 1/21/2009 7:05:45 PM
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Why is this thread so long?
Everyone who has followed a few matches in BB should see that jump shooting fouls should be reduced and "and 1"s should be increased.
There's no need for a discussion, it's pretty obvious that the fouls are not balanced realistically...

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Date: 1/21/2009 8:04:07 PM
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Why is this thread so long?
Everyone who has followed a few matches in BB should see that jump shooting fouls should be reduced and "and 1"s should be increased.
There's no need for a discussion, it's pretty obvious that the fouls are not balanced realistically...


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69479.38 in reply to 69479.36
Date: 1/21/2009 11:04:50 PM
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You are not the final word, but I absolutely agree with you.


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Date: 1/22/2009 1:01:07 AM
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You're not the final word on all matters BB.


I didn't claim anything like that. :P

I said that everyone who watches RL basketball and who watched a few games in the BB match engine should notice this problem.

It seems pretty easy to fix: just lower the amount of jump shooting fouls and increase the amount of and 1 fouls near the rim to keep the overall foul numbers balanced.
The problem is: how would the foul distribution change for the players? Jump shooters would go to the free throw line less and big men more, which wouldn't be realistic, because in RL small guards who drive to the basket a lot get more calls then big guys (unless the big guys are dominant but suck at shooting free throws like Dwight Howard).
So I think, with this change a slight shift in the foul distribution towards guards driving to the basket would need to be implemented to keep everything realistic.


This topic is not the most important issue concerning the match engine though, so I'd understand if it will be ignored for now.

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69479.40 in reply to 69479.39
Date: 1/22/2009 5:03:42 AM
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i don't see those many fouls on 3pt shots. maybe it happens on less skilled teams, but in my games it happens only once in a while

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Date: 1/22/2009 5:07:39 AM
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I said that everyone who watches RL basketball and who watched a few games in the BB match engine should notice this problem.

Insofar as BB tries to simulate realistic basketball games, people will intuitively try to benchmark what they see against real basketball games.

The problem is that even if the simulating algorithm is valid, you won't get comparable results unless you're using comparable inputs to the process. Therefore, before drawing definitive conclusions about GE changes from watching a handful of games, the first question we ask ourselves should probably be, "Is it possible that what we see is caused by a fundamental difference in player abilities?"

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