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From: Elmacca

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Date: 8/18/2010 1:48:47 PM
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I'm not actually convinced that's much of a help to players in the larger countries, doesn't it just increase demand and raise prices for the better domestic players within those nations?

I'd rather go the positive route of regarding teams that invest and play in domestic and drafted players through greatly increased merchandising revenues than go the negative route of capping.

I would like to see more complexity added to merchandising - as I think it could be the main difference in income from team to team once the game fully matures.




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Date: 8/18/2010 2:39:44 PM
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Again, we know that those teams are in the same condition... but that doesn't change the fact that the situation is quite unfair.
I'll do a more dramatic analogy using your point:

"People in europe and usa are wealthy. People in africa are starving to death. Yet, africans are all on the same conditions. So they have to manage it by themselves"

I know... too much dramatic. What i'm trying to say is that you can't disagree by saying that teams are on the same boat... the equality of the condition doesn't make it a fair situation because:
- the Competition is local.
- but the Market is global.
So, my efforts have an inferior value on the market than the efforts of a "little country" team. Because my money on the market has the same value of their.

However i want to meet you at half the way... let's say, reductio ad absurdum, that the situation is fair because i meet teams in the same condition:
But why the economy isn't structured in the more logical and realistic way? If a country starts a division of basketball, it doesn't start with the incomes of a "big country" first division... it should start with the incomes of the "biggest country" lowerest division. Please give me your opinion this last thing.

Last edited by RainMan13 at 8/18/2010 2:43:06 PM

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Date: 8/18/2010 2:46:54 PM
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However i want to meet you at half the way... let's say, reductio ad absurdum, that the situation is fair because i meet teams in the same condition:
But why the economy isn't structured in the more logical and realistic way? If a country starts a division of basketball, it doesn't start with the incomes of a "big country" first division... it should start with the incomes of the "biggest country" lowerest division. Please give me your opinion this last thing.

You can design new game this way. But now it would caused big mismatch on BB.

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Date: 8/18/2010 2:50:18 PM
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However i want to meet you at half the way... let's say, reductio ad absurdum, that the situation is fair because i meet teams in the same condition:
But why the economy isn't structured in the more logical and realistic way? If a country starts a division of basketball, it doesn't start with the incomes of a "big country" first division... it should start with the incomes of the "biggest country" lowerest division. Please give me your opinion this last thing.


You can design new game this way. But now it would caused big mismatch on BB.


Yes, it would. But it's reality. Every team has his own conditions and has to manage the team in these conditions as well as possible. That's all.





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Date: 8/18/2010 3:06:56 PM
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So, a more logical economic structure would create mismatch, because "little country" teams would have less incomes than "big country" ones, not allowing them to buy on the market.
So if that is unfair (your words, because you said there would be a mismatch), ALSO the actual system, that makes the "big country" teams have less income than "little country" ones, is unfair.

So you keep saying that you disagree with us while instead, deep in your subconscious, you agree with us.

You can create paradoxes!!!

...

Can you also divide by 0 ??? just curious.... XD

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Date: 8/18/2010 4:48:30 PM
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i think that "unfair" is a poor choice of word for describing the problem of unbalanced economies
i'd rather complain about it saying it's "something that makes the game less fun for a big chunk of users"

it's just like the fact that some tactics are more useful than others or the old boring draft system, but sadly this is an aspect of the game much harder to touch for the BB
they tried to some degree by changing the way merchandising and TV contracts work, but the structural flaws (which were clearly there also 2 years ago... i wish i could find the threads where i was complaining about it) will always remain

From: RainMan13

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152075.321 in reply to 152075.319
Date: 8/18/2010 4:51:11 PM
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your analogy makes no sense. You compare an online game of basketball and promoting/demoting to a continent in which many of the people are starving and truly lack a way to solve this. Maybe im alone, but in my opinion comparing an online game to people suffering and dying is like comparing apples to....a computer, it doesnt make any sense in even the most abstract possible way.


1)Oh man... do i really need to explain that?.... maybe it was not that clear, so i'll explain try it to explain it better.
It's obvious that "people" and "online games" are uncomparable... you can't compare kilos with kilometres. I was just using his argument in another context, trying to showing him that there was a flaw in it... it doesn't matter if "x" in that sentence it's "people", "BB teams" or "apples", because i think it was wrong.
Like saying "x + 2x = 6x"... it really doesn't matter what you put in x, it just doesn't work.

That said, I dont get what you are saying is so unfair. Literally, I can read what you are saying, but it appears to lack understanding and/or merit. It seems to me like you almost want a game where every condition is equal, thus we would eliminate countries altogether. Perhaps what you fail to see is that to make everything equal for every team across the world, the game dynamics take a MAJOR shift, that then cause more issues, and much more severe issues at that.



2) I understand (because it's obvious!(like the example i've done earlier :P)) that NOW it would take major changes to take the situation to the right level. That's because when it has been understood that the economic system had this flaws, nothing has been made. So now we're facing the consequences... now, doing some changes it will be harder without putting the whole situation upside-down.
Listen, i'm not saying that the BBs have done a bad work (even if some economic problems were quite predictable), because they have a quite a lot of things to work on and i don't think there are some super-economical-wall street-expert between them.... it's just that it doesn't seem there's going to be some sort of solution.. it seems like "Hey, let's leave it like this and let's if it auto-fixes itself".

I could be wrong, but im willing to bet every year one team promotes out of your league. But based on how you are talking, thats really impossible because none of you can buy players on the market. But it makes me wonder what he did that you arent doing that caused him to promote.


3) Guess what! YES!! Every season a team gets promoted in my league!!!!!!.... Like... in every other league.... that's because.... one team MUST be promoted...... because unavoidably one team wins the finals. That was an easy bet, wasn'it? :P just joking
I never said that buying players is mandatory to get promoted... sorry, don't make me say thing i don't have said, maybe you have misunderstood.

EDIT: PS: Actually, you can compare Apple to computers :P

Last edited by RainMan13 at 8/18/2010 5:12:40 PM

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Date: 8/18/2010 4:53:45 PM
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There can be changes, but step by step, not immediate massive changes.
In my eyes bigger problem is differences in income on different league level even in same country. For example in our country it's very challanging to avoid relegation after promotion to Div I even if the manager does really good job and there are others for several seasons in Div I which have done his job much worse but has no problem to avoid relegation.
I thing lowering the income differencies can help also your problem.

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Date: 8/18/2010 5:03:40 PM
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There can be changes, but step by step, not immediate massive changes.
In my eyes bigger problem is differences in income on different league level even in same country. For example in our country it's very challanging to avoid relegation after promotion to Div I even if the manager does really good job and there are others for several seasons in Div I which have done his job much worse but has no problem to avoid relegation.
I thing lowering the income differencies can help also your problem.


I agree with the "step by step", no one here pretends to make a dramatic change in ONE time. Mostly because you need to sperimentate the changes, first. Changings have to be done with patience.

I don't understand the part of "different incomes in same league levels"... are you talking about tv contracts? What does generate the differnce? EDIT: wooops

Last edited by RainMan13 at 8/18/2010 5:24:46 PM

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