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From: brian

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I just wish it was not so expensive for marginal contributions ...


That really is bizarre, esp the effect it has on guards. It's so high you have to wonder if it's a mistake.

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I just wish it was not so expensive for marginal contributions ...


That really is bizarre, esp the effect it has on guards. It's so high you have to wonder if it's a mistake.


And this was the thing that killed me the most when the introduction of new potentials came in. I'd carefully added or bought RB and ID for all my guards then found I couldnt go back and continue with anymore traditional guard training...

Guaqueta, Fournet, Soler, Cristiano - miss you guys - IF they had had MVP potential who knows what I might have gone on to achieve!

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All along in the early seasons i thought my guards with 6-7 rebounding and all around decent inside skills were perfect, a testament to the preaching about multi-skilled players...

...and then Joseph Ka cracked the salary formula... *head explodes*

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From: jbmcrock

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As in our other discussion of this game, you make a lot of sense. The one thing I still don't quite get is why my pg with 14 passing would take 11 shots when he has a 23 pts per 100 (you mentioned that happens with you as well - although I am sure that your ap has much better inside skills). Surely passing the ball to any other player would have yielded a better shot. In any case, I will experiment a bit and change around my guards (wipe some dust off of Vyberal) to see if that makes a difference.

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I will not accept your analysis that Thomas lost the game.


I think you misunderstood my analysis. I did not say that Thomas lost the game, just that he lost the rebounding advantage for you. But I would not say that his rebounding contribution was marginal. He had one defensive rebound while the opposing starter hit double digits, including 3 offensive rebounds.

15 for 27 is a really good rate and I suspect if you did the real vs expected points per 100, you would come out damn close to the predicted value for the C spot (Romagnoli went 4 for 6, too). I'm not sure how you can complain about that match-up. I can see the point that Alavi had a bad shooting game but he also drew some fouls off missed shots that gave him some points, too (I am guessing those 4 fouls came off solid passes to the inside).

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The one thing I still don't quite get is why my pg with 14 passing would take 11 shots when he has a 23 pts per 100


End of shot clock is usually the biggest reason for this one. Even the best ball distributing offense hits the end of the shot clock and when that happens, the ball is often in the hands of one of the guards.

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Steven Philippon (4666256)

Anyone with more knowledge than me want to try and explain how this guy has shot 1-17, 1-12 and 0-8 in his last 3 Private league games? Do most people mark the opposing PG with their best or 2nd best Outside Defender?

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Anyone with more knowledge than me want to try and explain how this guy has shot 1-17, 1-12 and 0-8 in his last 3 Private league games? Do most people mark the opposing PG with their best or 2nd best Outside Defender?


i would say yes, because my Sf normally should have ID too - and are mostly weaker in OD then the guards ;)

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on the side of this interesting debate about inside vs. outside offense, there is another aspect concerning the effectiveness of the defensive options.

I can think of three ways in which a weaker team can defeat a stronger one.
1- Luck - This works fine, imo.
2- Different attitude (CT or normal vs TIE). This also works fine.
3- Tactically surprise your opponent. Here I have some concerns. I would like to hear statistics from a BB, but the impression is that 3-2 and 1-3-1 zones are far too effective against inside offenses.A (mainly) outside focused team that tries to surprise its opponent by playing an inside offense will still have an hard time winning even against a "wrong" defensive choice.
There are lots of examples, so I won't give any for the moment :)

Last edited by Newton07 at 1/25/2010 9:02:40 AM

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