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i think that "unfair" is a poor choice of word for describing the problem of unbalanced economies
i'd rather complain about it saying it's "something that makes the game less fun for a big chunk of users"

it's just like the fact that some tactics are more useful than others or the old boring draft system, but sadly this is an aspect of the game much harder to touch for the BB
they tried to some degree by changing the way merchandising and TV contracts work, but the structural flaws (which were clearly there also 2 years ago... i wish i could find the threads where i was complaining about it) will always remain

your analogy makes no sense. You compare an online game of basketball and promoting/demoting to a continent in which many of the people are starving and truly lack a way to solve this. Maybe im alone, but in my opinion comparing an online game to people suffering and dying is like comparing apples to....a computer, it doesnt make any sense in even the most abstract possible way.

1)Oh man... do i really need to explain that?.... maybe it was not that clear, so i'll explain try it to explain it better.
It's obvious that "people" and "online games" are uncomparable... you can't compare kilos with kilometres. I was just using his argument in another context, trying to showing him that there was a flaw in it... it doesn't matter if "x" in that sentence it's "people", "BB teams" or "apples", because i think it was wrong.
Like saying "x + 2x = 6x"... it really doesn't matter what you put in x, it just doesn't work.

That said, I dont get what you are saying is so unfair. Literally, I can read what you are saying, but it appears to lack understanding and/or merit. It seems to me like you almost want a game where every condition is equal, thus we would eliminate countries altogether. Perhaps what you fail to see is that to make everything equal for every team across the world, the game dynamics take a MAJOR shift, that then cause more issues, and much more severe issues at that.

2) I understand (because it's obvious!(like the example i've done earlier :P)) that NOW it would take major changes to take the situation to the right level. That's because when it has been understood that the economic system had this flaws, nothing has been made. So now we're facing the consequences... now, doing some changes it will be harder without putting the whole situation upside-down.
Listen, i'm not saying that the BBs have done a bad work (even if some economic problems were quite predictable), because they have a quite a lot of things to work on and i don't think there are some super-economical-wall street-expert between them.... it's just that it doesn't seem there's going to be some sort of solution.. it seems like "Hey, let's leave it like this and let's if it auto-fixes itself".

I could be wrong, but im willing to bet every year one team promotes out of your league. But based on how you are talking, thats really impossible because none of you can buy players on the market. But it makes me wonder what he did that you arent doing that caused him to promote.

3) Guess what! YES!! Every season a team gets promoted in my league!!!!!!.... Like... in every other league.... that's because.... one team MUST be promoted...... because unavoidably one team wins the finals. That was an easy bet, wasn'it? :P just joking
I never said that buying players is mandatory to get promoted... sorry, don't make me say thing i don't have said, maybe you have misunderstood.

EDIT: PS: Actually, you can compare Apple to computers :P

Last edited by RainMan13 at 8/18/2010 5:12:40 PM

There can be changes, but step by step, not immediate massive changes.
In my eyes bigger problem is differences in income on different league level even in same country. For example in our country it's very challanging to avoid relegation after promotion to Div I even if the manager does really good job and there are others for several seasons in Div I which have done his job much worse but has no problem to avoid relegation.
I thing lowering the income differencies can help also your problem.

There can be changes, but step by step, not immediate massive changes.
In my eyes bigger problem is differences in income on different league level even in same country. For example in our country it's very challanging to avoid relegation after promotion to Div I even if the manager does really good job and there are others for several seasons in Div I which have done his job much worse but has no problem to avoid relegation.
I thing lowering the income differencies can help also your problem.

I agree with the "step by step", no one here pretends to make a dramatic change in ONE time. Mostly because you need to sperimentate the changes, first. Changings have to be done with patience.

I don't understand the part of "different incomes in same league levels"... are you talking about tv contracts? What does generate the differnce? EDIT: wooops

Last edited by RainMan13 at 8/18/2010 5:24:46 PM

i wish i could find the threads where i was complaining about it

YES! i found it!

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I wrote different incomes in different league levels. It's caused mainly by attendance. There should be difference, but it's too high in my eyes now. And maybe there should be no difference since some level - maybe III or IV and down.

My bad!

Mmmh, i don't really know if agree or disagree. I think it's right that different leagues have different incomes... about the "how much difference", i don't know.... I have only played in V and IV league so i only have seen the difference between those two.
I'll see what people, that have played more different leagues, have to say...

Everything I see here written suggests that noone can promote in Italy/Spain IV or V division. I think we have established the fact that the best still promote.
Also I have seen said that every team operates at -0 or -(insert any number here) weekly balance. This seems illogical, why?, because we would have 15 teams per every league going bankrupt every season. Is it happening? No!

I know I'm from a lesser league and I have to avoid big projects on buying players, but it's about a couple of weeks now that I'm looking for a player that can be useful as SF. I know Ill'never be able to buy someone as good as I would like. I need just someone suitable for a IV league here in Italy.
Well, you know? I didn't buy anyone because each player I could afford was too weak, and each player who had the minimum skills to play decently was too high in price, due to all the small nations managers (who can afford to buy even overpriced players) making prices rise.

You have looked for a SF about 2 weeks now? I looked for a SF I could buy for almost 6 months before I found one I could afford and was not a marginal upgrade at the spot. Even then I settled for a bit unevenly trained player (that I now have to fix with training). So my advice to you is to stop looking for players you can sell for profit later and start buying players that you plan to train and keep.
I wish I could say I have never been outbid on a player by a Italian div IV/V team (both actually). Perhaps when you get outbid every time you set your bar too high and are hoping to get players your checkbook could never afford.