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If the guy that trained him can't pay his salary...why do we have to keep that player in teh game of BB???? WHY??? Its not a player trained well for use in a real team...why find some artificial way to keep it around for NT?


What about a D3 team who can't handle the salary of his player, but trained him that way for two reasons:
1) chance to get in NT one day
2) possibility to sell him for a good price to big clubs

Is he a farm just because he train a player well ?

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If the guy that trained him can't pay his salary...why do we have to keep that player in teh game of BB???? WHY??? Its not a player trained well for use in a real team...why find some artificial way to keep it around for NT?


it is not a NT problem. In populated countries div I teams rarely train young players as they need a competitive team. They train players that are able to improve and compete in their leagues (mainly 24-27 yo).

Myself being a III team, I train players 20-24 yo, younger players would mean a significant drop in performance you just cannot afford in this leages.

And if I train a player to my salary limit (lets say 90k for my league) and have to sell him, 90k SF with 120 skills is a player that is not trained well and not usable for a real team?.

In this leagues you need to train for profit, every season we see 4 or 5 +300k salary teams in III division and promoting teams reach +400k salaries, yo need to make for losses somewhere and usually its training.

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If the guy that trained him can't pay his salary...why do we have to keep that player in teh game of BB???? WHY??? Its not a player trained well for use in a real team...why find some artificial way to keep it around for NT?


What about a D3 team who can't handle the salary of his player, but trained him that way for two reasons:
1) chance to get in NT one day
2) possibility to sell him for a good price to big clubs

Is he a farm just because he train a player well ?


Of course! If you want to train a player for the NT you have to be in I. Just like B3, added features in the games are only for the elite of the elite and the rest of the league structure doesn't matter because it doesn't exist anyway in many countries. If you're not winning B3, your opinions don't matter! ;)

I now need to add a minor suggestion for a sarcasm font.


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He sells his player...good for him. he got his money's worth. He gave up on his NT dream and got paid. Who lost here? Even if someone sabotaged...Like I said...nobody owns the NT. The guy who made the player got paid. Nobody loses. The NT loses??? How? The NT does not train players ~ The NT SELECTS players. It's a different mentality I am suggesting. NT stop making players, just select them. Limit player making to real teams with real domestic league goals and limitations for those players.


NT manager does not only select player, it has to guide training and it is beneficial both for managers and NT alike. Telling a player about elastic effect, training off position for money, helping them get a good deal in the transferlist and helping managers not to cap players at 24yo is not farming, its counseling.

Publicising prospects, finding high league buyers that can give players that little extra juice and keep them.

Without one single farm team we do all those things you say farm team does.

The problem you are referring to here are not farmteams. Farmteams generate unfair competition but all you are saying would still be true without farmteams.

The problem is you havent actually experienced the game. You are limited by the problems of playing just with 36 more teams. Your view of the game is limited and thus biased by your lack of a realistic perspective.

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If my team cannot afford the greatness of a player, i suppose some other team in a better division will. This better team will provide better competitiveness for this great player.

The NBA example is quite difficult to implement into BBeater.
For football (soccer), i can give so many examples that seem to match BBeater scheme.
The example of Barcelona. They always have one of the greatest team each and every season, and they are growing exceptionnally great young talents. They can afford the salary of those young players when they become pro (ex.: Messi).
But those clubs that have great pro-teams AND great forming infrastructures are very few...

But let's see Sporting Club of Lisboa (Portugal), or Ajax (in the Netherlands), or most South American teams. They also grow exceptionnal players. But they sell them to other huge teams (Man U, Chelsea, Milan AC etc.) when those youngsters reach 20-21 y.o. and their market value gets high. (examples : Ronaldo, C. Ronaldo, A.Robben, Van Persie, Ronaldinho, Neymar etc etc.). The most great sportsmen went through this kind of scheme.

So it seems quite realistic to me that I grow some young player that could go elsewhere looking for more competitiveness than my team could provide. So i'll put him on TL when "our" goals are not the same anymore.
Then, maybe he will get even greater and will get the level for a NT.
Or, maybe he will get lost in a transfer onto a team that can't handle him and fire him or even bankrupt. No NT then.

Still, i do agree with you on one single point : it seems quite unrealistic to me too that a d.III-IV-V player is on a NT. So i would add one more comment on this :
Theorically, a NT manager is (mostly) one of the greatest managers in his country. So, in his "greatness and majesty" (^^), a NT manager could accept an international deal mentionning that he would not pick a d.III-dIV-V player... How to implement this kind of restriction ? I really don't have a clue ...

(i'm not quick enough. i saw other answers have been posted while i was typing... too bad)

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