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From: miqe

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Date: 3/31/2015 9:03:26 PM
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

Last edited by miqe at 3/31/2015 9:04:52 PM

From: Nachtmahr

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Date: 4/1/2015 6:24:26 AM
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx) in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

I never said that with inside box +1 the best inside player will be guarded, did I?
I just said that in one defense your best defender will guard the best guard and in the other one the best big.
During the last weeks, even before this thread started, we discussed and analized games in my federation. We came to some interessting conclusions. Like some time ago when I took a lock at 3-2 ;-)

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From: miqe

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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

I never said that with inside box +1 the best inside player will be guarded, did I?
I just said that in one defense your best defender will guard the best guard and in the other one the best big.


that´s the point, is not the best big, if u check that teamalready has a big big C, but the inside box chose to guard the sg instead, that´s my point



Last edited by miqe at 4/1/2015 10:11:26 AM

From: Knowledge

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I don't think that's the case, if I'm understanding this correctly, the best big was defended by the 1 and the defender was adequate enough so the offense was moved away from the big to SG, which resulted in the SG's higher attempts, unless I'm misunderstanding this all.

Last edited by Knowledge at 4/2/2015 8:32:06 PM

From: miqe

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the thing is, all the shots by the SG were guarded by my PF, 22 shots all checked

the rest of the team change, looks like in zone cause never guard the same man, so my guess is that the man to man chosen was SG versus PF



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Date: 4/3/2015 8:47:21 AM
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this actually goes back to some of my previous posts

the assumption is made that - because player X took the most shots, he is the best offensive player that the And1 defender should be defending...... This is a wrong assumption....

Iin actual fact this is not always true and from what i can see with Box defenses, a very incorrect assumption.
Logic would suggest that - if your best defender totally smothers your opponents best offensive player, he should in theory take zero shots.
when the best offensive player is guarded too well, so the offensive team looks to another player to take shots. Which is why you will often see strange results in terms of box scores.

ill just state it again so its easy to identify for future readers.
With a box defense.... in the final box score - the player who took the most shots in the game- is NOT necessarily the best offensive player whom the 'And1' was defending

Last edited by Coach Regan at 4/3/2015 8:51:13 AM

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Date: 4/3/2015 9:16:02 AM
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the thing is, all the shots by the SG were guarded by my PF, 22 shots all checked

Yes, that's because the two boxes are switched... or the manual text is wrong.

I already reported it to Marin several weeks ago. From my data, the manual is wrong about the two boxes.

It works like this (my opinion):
Inside box+1:
Best defender defends the best outside scorer and the box moves to the paint.

Outside box+1:
Best defender defends the best inside scorer and the box moves to the perimeter.

You played an Inside box+1. So for me, it's no suprise that your PF defended his SG. I have more such games listed in my fed. We made some tests this season.

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Date: 4/3/2015 9:32:59 AM
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this actually goes back to some of my previous posts

the assumption is made that - because player X took the most shots, he is the best offensive player that the And1 defender should be defending...... This is a wrong assumption....

Iin actual fact this is not always true and from what i can see with Box defenses, a very incorrect assumption.
Logic would suggest that - if your best defender totally smothers your opponents best offensive player, he should in theory take zero shots.
when the best offensive player is guarded too well, so the offensive team looks to another player to take shots. Which is why you will often see strange results in terms of box scores.

ill just state it again so its easy to identify for future readers.
With a box defense.... in the final box score - the player who took the most shots in the game- is NOT necessarily the best offensive player whom the 'And1' was defending


im not telling opposite, im just cheking who guard man to man and whodid in zone, not checking how many shots but who guards,

its too casualty 22 shots guarded by the same man if that was a zone,

logic says that was the man to man situation

no black needed

From: miqe

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Date: 4/3/2015 9:35:49 AM
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the thing is, all the shots by the SG were guarded by my PF, 22 shots all checked

Yes, that's because the two boxes are switched... or the manual text is wrong.

I already reported it to Marin several weeks ago. From my data, the manual is wrong about the two boxes.

It works like this (my opinion):
Inside box+1:
Best defender defends the best outside scorer and the box moves to the paint.

Outside box+1:
Best defender defends the best inside scorer and the box moves to the perimeter.

You played an Inside box+1. So for me, it's no suprise that your PF defended his SG. I have more such games listed in my fed. We made some tests this season.


this could explain the fact


keep us notice if you get an answer ;)

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Date: 4/3/2015 4:43:02 PM
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It works like this (my opinion):
Inside box+1:
Best defender defends the best outside scorer and the box moves to the paint.

Outside box+1:
Best defender defends the best inside scorer and the box moves to the perimeter.

The way you describe it actually fits the name of the tactic much better than the manual does. It looks very much like the manual has just got them the wrong way round, as you say.

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