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As in our other discussion of this game, you make a lot of sense. The one thing I still don't quite get is why my pg with 14 passing would take 11 shots when he has a 23 pts per 100 (you mentioned that happens with you as well - although I am sure that your ap has much better inside skills). Surely passing the ball to any other player would have yielded a better shot. In any case, I will experiment a bit and change around my guards (wipe some dust off of Vyberal) to see if that makes a difference.

I will not accept your analysis that Thomas lost the game.

I think you misunderstood my analysis. I did not say that Thomas lost the game, just that he lost the rebounding advantage for you. But I would not say that his rebounding contribution was marginal. He had one defensive rebound while the opposing starter hit double digits, including 3 offensive rebounds.

15 for 27 is a really good rate and I suspect if you did the real vs expected points per 100, you would come out damn close to the predicted value for the C spot (Romagnoli went 4 for 6, too). I'm not sure how you can complain about that match-up. I can see the point that Alavi had a bad shooting game but he also drew some fouls off missed shots that gave him some points, too (I am guessing those 4 fouls came off solid passes to the inside).

The one thing I still don't quite get is why my pg with 14 passing would take 11 shots when he has a 23 pts per 100

End of shot clock is usually the biggest reason for this one. Even the best ball distributing offense hits the end of the shot clock and when that happens, the ball is often in the hands of one of the guards.

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Anyone with more knowledge than me want to try and explain how this guy has shot 1-17, 1-12 and 0-8 in his last 3 Private league games? Do most people mark the opposing PG with their best or 2nd best Outside Defender?

Anyone with more knowledge than me want to try and explain how this guy has shot 1-17, 1-12 and 0-8 in his last 3 Private league games? Do most people mark the opposing PG with their best or 2nd best Outside Defender?

i would say yes, because my Sf normally should have ID too - and are mostly weaker in OD then the guards ;)

on the side of this interesting debate about inside vs. outside offense, there is another aspect concerning the effectiveness of the defensive options.

I can think of three ways in which a weaker team can defeat a stronger one.
1- Luck - This works fine, imo.
2- Different attitude (CT or normal vs TIE). This also works fine.
3- Tactically surprise your opponent. Here I have some concerns. I would like to hear statistics from a BB, but the impression is that 3-2 and 1-3-1 zones are far too effective against inside offenses.A (mainly) outside focused team that tries to surprise its opponent by playing an inside offense will still have an hard time winning even against a "wrong" defensive choice.
There are lots of examples, so I won't give any for the moment :)

Last edited by Newton07 at 1/25/2010 9:02:40 AM

The benefits of secondaries for C claimed here are just not apparent enough to BB managers so they get ignored in training. (and they are a pain to train) Simple as that. It's no use blaming the managers as short-sighted. We need a more apparent feedback system than the match rating.

i thought this was a thread about the fact that inside play is a losing strategy... isn't that the feedback we need?

I guess that it goes in general about big men and how they work on offense

A 3-2 zone against Look Inside is not necessarily a wrong defensive choice:
-> Very often playing LI to "surprise" your opponent means that the first surprised is you own team... so the wrong thing is the offensive tactic and not the defense. Players tend to do what they do better, despite your tactical option.
-> Tactics are not so important in BuzzerBeater, although people rely too much on them. You may choose a very bad defensive tactic and you coach will change it as soon as it is clear that something is going wrong. So many wrong "look inside" finally behave as push the ball or run and gun. Just take a look at the shot distribution at the end of the match, and you will see what tactics was actually employed and which was the wrong counter-tactic.
-> The inside attack team rating is imho the most misleading rating (and all the team rating are somewhat misleading). You can easily get very high team ratings by just amassing pure inside attack skill on the field. However a PF with some inside defense and good jump shot can easily balance the match.

A 3-2 zone against Look Inside is not necessarily a wrong defensive choice:

-> Tactics are not so important in BuzzerBeater

If thats true then again something is wrong with the game. Tactics are really important factor to the real game so must be the same here even if we have different rules here.

Definition of PF: The player that have similar skills like C, but not quite so strong. He compromise that being able to play feather from the basket, (hit mid range shots, few 3pt) and be more mobile, but not so strong.