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Date: 2/1/2008 7:36:02 PM
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I had the same thing happen. I trained 4 players in RB (C/PF, lvl 9/8 trainer) for 8 weeks, and had only one player pop in Inside Shot.

It appears that what we thought we knew about the training of secondaries was highly optimistic. It will be very difficult to see just how long it takes to have a secondary skill pop twice, because the primary skill will increase very quickly (perhaps too quickly). In order to really know the speed of the secondary training, one would have to train the same primary until the secondary popped twice; from my experience that would mean training only one skill for more than a season and creating mono-skilled behemoths in the process.

For instance, I'd suggest an 18-20yo player will pop in RB twice every three weeks (I'd assume this is also accurate for all other skills, but haven't tested it yet) or 7-8 levels per season (not including playoffs). So a player could easily be trained from respectable to wondrous in a primary skill during the course of one season, without his secondaries popping twice.

The prevailing wisdom around these forums has always been to rotate training. I am apt to agree, as longer I trained RB during my 8-week study, the more I saw my team suffering in other areas (i.e., I now have a player with prominent RB that still has atrocious SB).

@WFU03:
Perhaps it would be best to remove the suggested # of weeks from secondaries altogether in the first post. For instance:
RB C/PF
Trains RB 1-3 weeks
Also trains IS, ID


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Date: 2/1/2008 7:57:15 PM
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Probably zero advatage but i might train the fourth SG using the PG slot in scrimmages/cup games as i only have 2 training worthy PG's

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Date: 2/1/2008 8:56:03 PM
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I know this will be obvious - but how do I best try to improve outside defence - for SG SF. Is it pressure, or one on one??

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Pressure.

One on one trains driving.

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Date: 2/9/2008 9:50:16 PM
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is there any data yet that can show any difference between training Jump Shot or Outside shooting?

From only 2 teams of data i have noticed more pops in JS when training JS (dont shoot me for pointing out the obvious!) and more pops in JR when training Outside shooting.... as this is not sufficient data.. wanted to see if anyone specifically training shooters could shed some light....

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Having in mind there doesn't seem to be a primary training in this list for Jump Range, I think it is safe to assume that Outside Shooting is the primary training for range, and Jump Shot is the primary training for shooting. This, of course, is just an educated guess.

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Date: 2/11/2008 2:35:59 AM
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Maybe the scales for JS and JR are not comparable.

If there weren't a JR parameter, then JS + shot distance could convert into %, with the percentage declining with distance. Add in a JR parameter and it modifies the rate of decline with distance.

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Date: 2/11/2008 4:24:58 AM
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I train outside shooting, i have two players who had two pops in jump range and just one in jump shot, another player had two pops in both skills. I would say that outside shooting trains jump range bit quicker.

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Date: 2/14/2008 4:50:28 PM
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I'm training JS on wingmen for the second time(lvl 10 trainer). Last week i had 7 pops. (2 SF each had 2pops, and 2 others). My question is, should i continue training my wingmen?
Or maybe switch my training to outside shooting?

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I'm training JS on wingmen for the second time(lvl 10 trainer). Last week i had 7 pops. (2 SF each had 2pops, and 2 others). My question is, should i continue training my wingmen?
Or maybe switch my training to outside shooting?


When you say "each had 2 pops", you mean in JS and range or two pops in JS?

Steve

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