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I believe that Experience is directly tied to Situation Specific as well as Position Specific in those situations.

A Center grabs rebounds. That's one of their pimary jobs. But out of these two situations by these two example players, who would you determine their rebound to be more imporant:

Scenerio One:
Shaquille O'Neal of the Suns, start of the game early in the season, grabs a rebound after the lowly Memphis Grizzlies' Mike Miller misses a wide open two after receiving the pass from rookie PG Mike Conley. The Suns, one of the greater teams in the league, will go on to win the game in dominating fashion, 114-73. The Suns never gave up the lead. Importance of this game is minimal at best because the Suns are already built for a Championship run while the Grizzlies are building for a future Championship run. Neither team has any hatred between the other outside of the fact that they both play in the NBA.

Scenerio Two:
Aaron Gray, rookie Center for the Chicago Bulls, is trying to help his team creep into the last slot of the Eastern Conference Playoffs Bracket. They are up against the Detroit Pistons, a division rival, whom also happens to be trying to win their way into the playoffs. There are 17 lead changes in the game as the score difference never rises above 5 points. Late in the fourth quarter, the Bulls down by one. Aaron Gray sits just outside the paint making sure he avoids any 3-sec rule infraction. Ben Gordon receives a bullet from Kirk Hinrich as the clock ticks down to 4 seconds on the clock. Gordon goes up, ball hits the front of the rim, and in the air go three Pistons and one lonely Aaron Gray. Just as the clock hits the 1-second mark, Gray's fingertips protrude through the sea of Piston defenders' hands to give the ball one little nudge, just enough of a nudge to push the ball through the awaiting net. Bulls pull of the victory, sliding into the playoffs and leaving their hated division rival wondering what might've been.

Out of those two situations, who do you think gained better experience? I'd personally say Aaron Gray. Of course, that is only one situation. Gray would have to experience a lot more of those situations in order to be on the level of Shaquille O'Neal. Shaq's experience is far greater than Aaron Gray's which consequently means that Shaq has an easier time in most situations than does Gray.

While there is no equation (that I know about) that can give an accurate value as to how important an individual rebound is at any given point in a game, as creatures with the ability to use logic, we can deduce the importance of a single rebound at the precise moment it happens. Even following the conclusion of the game, we can use the statistics that are taken from the game and analyze the impact a single player had on that single game.

When it comes to depending on the other players on the field, your remark strikes a resemblance to NBA Live 2007's Player Chemistry franchise feature. Players with great chemistry between each other tend to play better than those without great chemistry. The Knicks suffer from the "Me First" mentality, even in NBA Live 2007. Your star player may be a star on the court but you risk having poor performances if he's always playing with players with whom he has poor chemistry with. Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis love the spotlight and rarely are willing to share. Having both on the court is likely to result in disaster as both players will try to outshine the other and are never playing for the betterment of the team.

I am not sure if BB's Experience has any connection to Player Chemistry though but if not, hopefully that is an extra feature that BB could add in the future. I would think though that players with Atrocious experience would be better off playing with players that have Respectable experience, even more likely to be better off playing with teammates that have Proficient experience.

Last edited by kaygdanimal at 4/9/2008 11:01:55 AM

Out of those two situations, who do you think gained better experience? I'd personally say Aaron Gray. Of course, that is only one situation. Gray would have to experience a lot more of those situations in order to be on the level of Shaquille O'Neal. Shaq's experience is far greater than Aaron Gray's which consequently means that Shaq has an easier time in most situations than does Gray.

...in that case should to increase Shaq's experience mostly only on a big games. I mean if someone has so high level of experience, is impossible to get it higher if he plays now mostly on situations, where he was like on thousand times before

When it comes to depending on the other players on the field, your remark strikes a resemblance to NBA Live 2007's Player Chemistry franchise feature. Players with great chemistry between each other tend to play better than those without great chemistry. The Knicks suffer from the "Me First" mentality, even in NBA Live 2007. Your star player may be a star on the court but you risk having poor performances if he's always playing with players with whom he has poor chemistry with. Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis love the spotlight and rarely are willing to share. Having both on the court is likely to result in disaster as both players will try to outshine the other and are never playing for the betterment of the team.

It's a pity that I didn't play that game, but I can tell you that sometimes is a "Me First" mentality helpful - if the star is alone and have to play everything by his own... and he should to get even the experience higher if he's good at that and the results of the team are good as well.

on the other side - the chemistry is a most important for a right game and if are players good with each other, they should to beat a stronger "Me First" teams and theirs experience could be by the time enormous if they play for a long time a great competitions.. the question is how it works on BB

I am not sure if BB's Experience has any connection to Player Chemistry though but if not, hopefully that is an extra feature that BB could add in the future. I would think though that players with Atrocious experience would be better off playing with players that have Respectable experience, even more likely to be better off playing with teammates that have Proficient experience.

this is the point I waited for - unexperienced player should be much more stronger with a old, experienced fellows - they teach him, they boost his performances and his experiences - it is a nature and this should be on BB, I agree

Last edited by Iordanou at 4/10/2008 4:29:37 AM

You brought up another good suggestion, maybe without realizing it.

Does BuzzerBeater have a suggestion thread? I'll have to go look.

Added Tools
Team Chemistry combined with Player Chemistry

Added Player Attributes
Learning

Some players just learn betters than others no matter how experienced their mentor happens to be.

You could have 4 Prominent experience starters on the court and one Atrocious starter but the Atrocious starter has an Atrocious Learning ability. That would mean that while he may be a great player he tends to pick up tendencies slower than you would like for him.

Of course, to add those features, they would likely have to do a lot of rewriting code for the Chemistry feature but maybe a few snippets of line as well as randomly generating numbers for every player's Learning ability in their players database.

Does BuzzerBeater have a suggestion thread? I'll have to go look.

We have an entire Suggestions forum.

Added Tools
Team Chemistry combined with Player Chemistry

Please could you tell me how you imagine that this should works? I like that!

Added Player Attributes
Learning

Some players just learn betters than others no matter how experienced their mentor happens to be.

You could have 4 Prominent experience starters on the court and one Atrocious starter but the Atrocious starter has an Atrocious Learning ability. That would mean that while he may be a great player he tends to pick up tendencies slower than you would like for him.

Indeed, but it is not that simple - our players could have more of these preferences - it depends on his talent - if he is a very talented to get better attributes or the experiences (physically and perceptionally (sorry for my english:)) talented - or the mind god - stochisticly open mind, clever human, which is better on making use of a new mental and common findings) or both.

However for the right and complex use of these learning abilities - we would need (at least) 2 new preferences - or just one if there will be the learning attribute only for getting of the experiences and no for getting of a standard atributes.

- But I think that these preferences are a wrong way. I like that every player can do better, nevermind his history or talent - do you know why?

Sometimes is the reality a best inspiration to implement a good solutions into a game, but sometimes the implementation needs more than just that - a few aspects in advance to be there, otherwise it could be a uncomplete hybrid without the point...

...Our transfer market is not usuall like on reality. In reality are talented players clever enough to reject the transfer if they have an better contract or they have theirs own willingness to go out or stay with a mother team. We never have these problems with our players and I think that these problems never will be here, because we have to keep the game simple for the majority of people which doesn't know anything about confluence psychology and never will...

..that means we have players without theirs own mind, in fact bonehead slaves which will do everything you want and that makes the affect that we can do everything with them.. Some players goes from team to team without the claim and players aren't even unhappy when you put them into scrimmages only, while they are good enough for the league - see - the reality is a complex structure in which depends everything on everything (I'm sure that you know this, but it was just for a remind)...

..so my point is - if you will give them something like talent preference or ability to learn an experiences, you will not give them also the most important psychical atribute - the soul. They will be still bonehead slaves, but just "talented" ones - and imagine what happens - the players with a poor talent will be worthless automaticly and noone will train them - except those which would like to loose a money for the worthless training. That means we will have a very small volume of players which will be able to train and in fact get something from the training (and this point is the same also for the experiences - you can get a practise for a dumb one, but he will get no XP from the field, so why to train him?). You see - it could be a totally disaster for most of our players and on our open market - where will be talented players for even higher prices and in fact - impossible to get by a poor team.

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Last edited by Iordanou at 4/10/2008 12:22:43 PM

I saw few games with these "attributes" and everytime it's the same - rich clubs have a best talents and normal or poor have noone.. and have noone until they will waste theirs time on transfer market day by day, week by week, waiting for their's dragon.. And I'm not talking even about unlucky drafts - wasting of a whole season to get nothing.. that is not right. There is an analogy - if players should have something like that, they should to have even theirs own personality (soul) to be even slightly complicated to hold them in one team if your results aren't good or anything else and the dumb ones will be always loyal - but mindless boneheads with a talent? It is just a better business with the slaves.. and worthless enhancement to get angry many users

that's my opinion

All rookies don't start with atrocious experience. My most experienced player (mediocre) was a draft pick two seasons ago - and I don't think has ever increased. He is a backup.

Another player in the same draft has improved his experience from atrocious to pitiful. He is a starter and been a 2nd team selection to the All Star Game both seasons.

is there any new informations what brings more experience, nt-matches cup-matches, played time or else?
and does it influence the gameratings or the playerstats?

I think experience is an unknown factor in BB right now. It doesn't at all compute sensibly. It takes ages for some players to level up and yet we have new draftees coming in with higher experience factor than the veterans. How is that a sensible thing? Just doesn't make sense. If BB wants or starts to put a weight on experience in the game engine, it has to first correct the current start-up level for all draftees. They should all start at "atrocious" instead of the random levels currently employed. And put in place a factor for experience improvement for all games ie. league games, cup games, NT games and maybe even for All-Star games.

I think it is high time for BB to make an announcement on this. Just don't keep us guessing. Not a good thing for the development of the game at this point.

from my experience, i notice my guy increase in experience because he carries my team a lot, meaning the moment i needed someone to step up and win my games he always carry the load for me.

also his crowned the mvp!

im shock really how he carries my team, he get 3's to go in when it matter most, also he turns on his killer drives

im just fascinated with the guy :D