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what i meant here is

hiring great ( level 9 or 10 ) PR guys would surely benefit those teams that has high competition or level of game play which im sure division 1 and 2.1 are.

but even with this that having the highest level of games, the top of all division, the PR level 10 guy is still having hard time. base on my performance when i havent hire a level 10 guy, my merchandise sales is consistent at 35k a week even with a few losses but when i hire him the highest i saw is 40k but as the weeks goes by it never surpass that and the worst part it would even drop.

even at the highest competition, surely like the nba you dont need to ask around that much about it, but you know since its marketing, publicity etc already covers a lot.

add this to your teams performance meaning im not a losing team, i have winning history, im on top if i fall to 2nd place does that hurt my attendance so much even with a few losses that the PR guy cant seem to get his work going?

how much support does he needs just to see results.

i just stated the merchanside sales is one thing but my attendance seems to really take a beating im shock to see like 7k or 8k attendance lost



Last edited by Shoei at 7/19/2008 4:57:16 AM

new staff system will be here soon

..while I'm looking forward if will not be against even some random I see here now, because I think is normal that you cannot hire anyone for a while and then you have a luck for a right person finally..

we will see

i think the changes will be about how we are to choose or hire our staff

but how our staff work is another. . . .

I don't see logic between how staff work (affect) and how will be hired in the future

eh

Last edited by Iordanou at 7/19/2008 5:42:48 AM

well dont ask me ask the bb they said there will be changes

the way i understand it, its just about the hiring or how we hire our staff

but how they works is not even said about anything.

now how it correlates i dont know, i started it just hoping the change will also affect how they work too.

as you can see i cant seem to see the results for a level 10 PR guy

well indeed, but I'm slightly dissapointed to see that the staff is worth in some situation, sometimes you will need this or that one and you will be always capable to hire the one you need

this is pretty unreal and as I know if you wanna do that you can spend more money or patiently look on a staff market (will be implemented), you can get always what you want anytime, that is not good for a game if have an ambition to be a close to the reality

Last edited by Iordanou at 7/19/2008 5:56:12 AM

I actually think that sounds like it is working as it should then. Getting the most expensive PR guy should, according to me, only worth the money for the real top teams (i.e. the best first league winners, not all), otherwise it becomes to easy to choose the optimal strategy (furthermore I think this is also in line with how it works in real life, even thogh salary and quality sometimes have no correlation at all in RL).

Anyway a new staff system is on its way, so it will be interesting to see how that turns out.

BB-Charles wrote

The available specialties are:

Publicists:
- Big Market, advertising (Bring more fans to the arena for DI/DII teams)
- Medium Market, advertising (Bring more fans to the arena for DIII/DIV teams)
- Small Market, advertising (Bring more fans to the arena for DV+ teams)
- Big Market, growth (Develop the fan base more for DI/DII teams)
- Medium Market, growth (Develop the fan base more for DIII/DIV teams)
- Small market, growth (Develop the fan base more for DV+ teams)

Publicists do all of these things at a rate depending upon their skill level, but a publicist with a given specialty will act as two levels above his rating when performing his best task.


You can hire staff in one of two ways.

1) You can find a headhunter to create custom staff. You can choose both their skill level and their specialty. In return, you will pay a fixed rate which will be set every offseason and will be approximately a 60% premium on what the market rate is (see the second option).
2) Any staff who are fired go onto a transfer list where they can be hired by the highest bidder, disappearing from the game if there are no offers. You bid a weekly salary, and the highest bidder hires the new staff member. All staff will have minimum acceptable weekly salaries, below which they will not accept a job offer. These will be approximately half the headhunter price.

Hiring new staff costs two weeks' wages to release the old staff member. All staff members have a 5% salary increase every five weeks, with a cap somewhere above the "headhunter" number. The headhunter number will be regularly recalculated (probably every offseason) based upon market rates for different types of staff. Staff skills never change otherwise (no add or drop).

Existing staff will continue to stay on your team and drop in skill for as long as you would like to keep them, but when you fire them they will not go into the market. New players will continue to get a shared level-1 staff member who does not increase in wage over time and does not go into the pool when fired.

Last edited by Iordanou at 7/19/2008 6:15:14 AM

this sucks! why indicate his a level 10 guy when he chooses when and where he should work.

you said " (furthermore I think this is also in line with how it works in real life, even thogh salary and quality sometimes have no correlation at all in RL)." what do you mean its not related look at coaches in the nba those with no names or from assistant turn to head coaches onley gets 25- 33% of big name coaches make.

its like this would you hire a junior executive that is newly graduate to head a division of your company or someone with experience. now looking at their resume and interview you can see already a difference in how they answer questions and whether they are confident or not.

another is even though the junior executive poistion in your company lets say commands 10k salary a month for a newly grad would you just give him that high? for the well experience one if in your course of interview and credentials find him more suitable and he can really amaze you that convinces you to try and give him a better salary which you know he can deliver results wouldnt you give that salary.


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also you said

"Getting the most expensive PR guy should, according to me, only worth the money for the real top teams (i.e. the best first league winners, not all), otherwise it becomes to easy to choose the optimal strategy"

i agree with you on this matter because the top leagues actually get more slices of the pie in regards to exposure and markets they have. but it doesnt excuse them to produce a result wherein you should see quite to your liking or can you say ahh my hire is working.

as i said, if lower leagues have smaller markets then even with a level 10 you should see results but probably not high since your probably working on a small market. even with a lot of ideas and drive if you have reach the ceiling of that market then thats it!


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an example is paul wesphal who was the coach of the phoenix suns, when the suns didnt want his services anymore, he choose to coach a high school team i think and he transform that team from a mediocre to a team that swept their conference.

the school wasnt known that much, but he did his job

but when they reach the nationals or since they qualified for the higher league the first game they lose and wasnt able to advance further

now this is what i mean, its not about guaranteeing anything but show some damn results of hiring someone good at all.

great! an answer already

let me read and digest this

I think this sumarizes your point of view quite good, so I choose to focus on it:

an example is paul wesphal who was the coach of the phoenix suns, when the suns didnt want his services anymore, he choose to coach a high school team i think and he transform that team from a mediocre to a team that swept their conference.

the school wasnt known that much, but he did his job

but when they reach the nationals or since they qualified for the higher league the first game they lose and wasnt able to advance further

now this is what i mean, its not about guaranteeing anything but show some damn results of hiring someone good at all.

If I understood the numbers you put out on your previous example, the PR10 actually showed some results for you, however those results where not good enough to finance his extra salary. I do not see why this should be reasonable.

As an example a swedish first division team, M7 Borås, hired Magic Johnson for a season. Of course this was a few years after his career, because during his hey days the club would have gone in bacruptcy just paying the salary for one day. Anyway, even though he was not even close his best, but still he was better then the competition in the swedish first division.

And how did it end? Well, Borås whent in to bacruptcy, as he turned out to be way too expensive despite adding a lot of publicity not to say increased attendance.

Lesson learned: Not even in the highest divisions (in Sweden) it pays off to have a player that isn't even close to the best available player in the world. The same goes for the most expensive PR guy, doctor, coach, etc. Thus, i think it makes sense that in BB to you have to judge if your team is up to the level where the most expensive guy actully pays off.