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However i want to meet you at half the way... let's say, reductio ad absurdum, that the situation is fair because i meet teams in the same condition:
But why the economy isn't structured in the more logical and realistic way? If a country starts a division of basketball, it doesn't start with the incomes of a "big country" first division... it should start with the incomes of the "biggest country" lowerest division. Please give me your opinion this last thing.

You can design new game this way. But now it would caused big mismatch on BB.

Why you say that? Every team in the new country will have to compete with teams on the same level. It's just like it is now in Itally...

i think that "unfair" is a poor choice of word for describing the problem of unbalanced economies
i'd rather complain about it saying it's "something that makes the game less fun for a big chunk of users"

I think its the best sentense int this thread.

As I think is a bit absurd, that big country should get something super duper extra above smaller country. but on the other hand it gets pretty boring, when your team stops and there is little room for improvement. and I think this game is about improving your team and ofc good managers are prefered, but lets get realistic - we all have lives and a game that takes 2-3 years and constantly sitting online scaning transfers list just to find little improvement in my opinion is doomed. if you can afford that, I would recommend you do some reasearch on poker or play WOW. BB has one huge advantage above HT is very dynamic training and promotion system. and thats a good thing, but this deflation makes game a little static. which is a bit sad and boring at same time. stagnation kills enthusiasm!

Every season there are promotions and relegations, and, you know, a big part of the teams relegated from, let's say, III are the sema teams that were promoted from IV at the end of the previous season.
Guess why? Because to get promoted I have to almost drain my bank account (I'll repeat, maybe this time somebody will understand) because competition is high so you need a richer roster, and incomes are just enough to avoid bankrupcy, so next season I will not have enough money to make the changes to the roster that would permit me to avoid relegation.

By the way, I don't operate at "-(insert number here)", thanks to the "promotion bonus" also, I can operate with an income. More or less 25k per week.

Finally, about how long we looked for a SF: you know why I looked only for 2 weeks? Because after that period I realised I was not going to afford an even decent player for that role and I have decided to stop trying to get promoted (because I don't want to be relegated one season later) and find a way to survive next season without the "promotion bonus". If I'll make it, then I'll try again to get promoted. If I can't, well, I'll start play Monopoly. You know, in Monopoly you have to look only at the market, without a basketball league to distract you.

this game is about improving your team and ofc good managers are prefered, but lets get realistic - we all have lives and a game that takes 2-3 years and constantly sitting online scaning transfers list just to find little improvement in my opinion is doomed. if you can afford that, I would recommend you do some reasearch on poker or play WOW. BB has one huge advantage above HT is very dynamic training and promotion system. and thats a good thing, but this deflation makes game a little static. which is a bit sad and boring at same time. stagnation kills enthusiasm!

I bet somebody will answer to your post saying "well, but all the teams in the same league are in the same conditions. Cope with it."

Me, I think you're right. If I want to play a game of almost pure trading, I play Monopoly.

i think that "unfair" is a poor choice of word for describing the problem of unbalanced economies
i'd rather complain about it saying it's "something that makes the game less fun for a big chunk of users"

I think its the best sentense int this thread.

As I think is a bit absurd, that big country should get something super duper extra above smaller country. but on the other hand it gets pretty boring, when your team stops and there is little room for improvement. and I think this game is about improving your team and ofc good managers are prefered, but lets get realistic - we all have lives and a game that takes 2-3 years and constantly sitting online scaning transfers list just to find little improvement in my opinion is doomed. if you can afford that, I would recommend you do some reasearch on poker or play WOW. BB has one huge advantage above HT is very dynamic training and promotion system. and thats a good thing, but this deflation makes game a little static. which is a bit sad and boring at same time. stagnation kills enthusiasm!

What did you say? We are not saying that big country should get something super extras above smaller country, we are saying that the world economy should be more balanced cause if I'm in Italy and i'd just started, i start with a budget of 300k, I earn 50k weekly and when the season finish i have 800k if i didn't buy any player for my team. Instead if i start (for exemple) in Barbados, where there are only 2-3 real teams and I start from first division, I start with 300k, earn 200k cause i'm in first division and in the end of the season i have 3M... It's fair for you? In my opinion the earning must be balanced about the nation league, with that of alloy.

Last edited by Zio Gabibbescio™ at 8/19/2010 2:52:36 AM

I've read a lot of posts in this thread that keep saying that you need to operate at near 0 income to compete in your league. That is absolute rubbish. I started in div 4 in my first season and won my league easily while making about 80k profit a week. Then in my second season I was in div 3 and I managed to come first in my league and win the finals to promote and I was making about 120k a week. Now I am in div 2 and while I struggled for the first 4 weeks, I have now got a solid team together and have won most of my recent games. And I am still making 175k a week, and I would be making a lot more than that if I had a bigger arena. If you buy the right players, and manage your team well then you can easily dominate your league while making a decent profit.
The top team in my league is making about 130k profit per week and is dominating, it shows that you don't need to have 0 profit to compete, you just have to be smart about it.

You started by IV, I started by VI.

Every season there are promotions and relegations, and, you know, a big part of the teams relegated from, let's say, III are the sema teams that were promoted from IV at the end of the previous season.
Guess why? Because to get promoted I have to almost drain my bank account (I'll repeat, maybe this time somebody will understand) because competition is high so you need a richer roster, and incomes are just enough to avoid bankrupcy, so next season I will not have enough money to make the changes to the roster that would permit me to avoid relegation.

that's not true. i looked your league and there are examples of teams on the way to playoffs after promotion to III. (26861). i looked into other leagues, and shortly i found another example: (47629). he made semi-finals after promoting from iv, and he'll probably make the playoffs this season too. i bet theres more teams like that. so nothing is impossible. and it would not surprise me if there would be a team in your so called highly competitive country, that would promote from IV to II in two seasons.

Last edited by Rycka at 8/19/2010 3:11:34 AM

You're just half-right. Better said, you found an example of what you a re saying and aonther of what I'm saying. This team (26861) passed the last four seasons going up and down from III to IV, and that's axactly what I was saying. The exeption is the other team...

sorry man but your example isn't right....
Your roster cap is (more and less) 200k and you play in II division of your country...in italy maybe you finish 6/8th in a third division with that salary range...i repeat maybe,in the best option you arrive in play out zone.
So ,if we play using your style,we 'll never have the incomes you can get playng in your country...
Because ,and i 'm sure you know that thing, if you don't win,people don't come to palace,less money and so on....

My post is only to say that you can't compare your nation (500 users) with our nation ( 5000 users) because the level is very different and all about economy too...
But about your style of play,i can say you..you play well with good strategy but we can't use ( or we can use but in 2 season we'll finish in low league and it's not so funnyPP )

Yes, you can find example for anything, especially negative one. But his example shows that it's possible to manage team in successful way. Your one only shows that there are managers which are not able to do it.