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Ok I think I made my point and you made yours. you prefer the way it is, because it's easier to figure an opponent out, and I think exactly that should be more difficult by giving teams the chance to vary their gamestyles a little, so they would be more difficult to figure out.

I'll be waiting for BB-GM's to react to my suggestion and tell me what they think about it.

i think saying "opponents are easier to be figured out" by the way it is would already motivate me as a GM to change something in the way it's played.

In a soccer simulation i used to play some years ago you could choose (not obligatory) to change your tactics with "if" terms and even modify tactics based on playing time BEFORE the game (for example: after 60 minutes play defensively).

GM are just better Mods, who fight also cheaters and check new users - they didn't design anything into the the game and haven't additional informations about it(ok maybe Juice and Kozlo, but only because they have good contacts to the BB's).

And the BB didn't like to interact in discussions, because they believe that this is ruining the discussion and their post get taken to seriously.

You get offended when I check your profile? Wow! Ofcourse I check peoples profiles before I make any assumptions about them. You are right about the different styles of having fun in this game. You seem to have fun losing and lingering between leagues IV-V. I have fun building a team, seeing how it progresses and get's better, with a goal to perhaps someday win a championship. Yes I get it we are different.

Who asked you to make assumptions about me? Can't you discuss a matter or a suggestion without putting people in drawers and categorize them? So you're a big cool guy now, cause you play in division 2 and you're the shit while I, because I play in Division 4 am worth nothing? or what are you thinking? Do you think you can disrespect people who play in lower divisions? Or don't we have the right to suggest anything because "it seems as if we didn't understand the game"?
Get a life, boy.

I would be happy if some of the GMs would read my suggestion (which I am sure they will).

Write me a message if you want to know the link to the soccer game, where this option with if terms is offered. Maybe you can get a better idea of it, in case you think it would be a nice addition. I don't like mentioning other sites publicly in forums. The soccer game is a lot of fun, and really entertaining, only its not basketball. I think to have a similar option here would enrich BB in a very positive way and managers get the feeling of making decisions and having more responsibility.

Have a nice day



Last edited by Coach Ash at 1/11/2010 9:21:55 AM

GM who posting here are forum users, like you and me - so if they say anything it is worth like an post of any other user.

They ain't the announcers of the BB, they just look out for cheaters and moderating the forums additionally to the work on their team.

Hi again: It's the same right now! What if the opponent manager decides to play the WHOLE GAME motion while you thought they would play low post?

It's not, really. Right now, defenses adjust as the game goes on. Being able to change offensive tactic for every quarter will make this feature of the game engine more or less pointless.

Yes, defenses adjust. So what is the difference of choosing one tactic over the other, if in the end the defense adjusts to the offense anyways and no matter which offense you choose you will be stopped? so basically it's the game engine who decides which teams win, and not the managers by being clever. At least that's the impression I have right now. The tactic you choose is not changing much on the outcome because everything will be adjusted. As a manager and coach you're not involved enough in the outcome of the matches.





Last edited by Coach Ash at 1/11/2010 10:15:42 AM

Yes, defenses adjust. But don't offensive tactics adjust, too?

Not that I know of.

What is the difference of choosing one tactic over the other, if in the end the defense adjusts to the offense anyways and no matter which offense you choose you will be stopped?

Defenses never adjust fully. If you've chosen the wrong defensive tactic, you're always worse off.

so basically it's the game engine who decides which teams win, and not the managers by being clever.

No, your player decides who wins the game. You will rarely win a game with a crappy team, no matter how clever you are.

At least that's the impression I have right now. The tactic you choose is not changing much on the outcome because everything will be adjusted. As a manager and coach you're not involved enough in the outcome of the matches.

Tactics create real bonuses you wouldn't otherwise have. No adjustment can give you that.

In the game manual is written:
Whether an outside shot goes in is a combination of the individual and team outside scoring rating, as well as the opposing individual and team outside defense. If a great player is the only option on a bad team, he will draw more coverage, and therefore his shooting percentage will go down; similarly a bad player on the same team will only tend to shoot outside shots when he is wide open.

So when the defense is adjusted, the offense play will change, too. Right? It's also unclear to me when you say "the defense is adjusted, but not fully". To what extend is the defense adjusted then? either it is adjusted to the opponents offensive play or it is not. Or is it just half of the team which tries to adjust? I didn't get that. I would like to have more transparency on how things are adjusted.

No, your player decides who wins the game. You will rarely win a game with a crappy team, no matter how clever you are.

Does that mean that the team with the better players wins always, no matter of the tactics his opponent chooses?

Wouldn't it be more exciting to give less good teams a chance to win a game against a great team by emphasizing the tactics you choose over the enthusiasm?

When I see a suggestion as far out of the box as yours, I tend to try to figure out why you suggest it. That's when I check the profile. It's not about me playing in div2 and you playing in the lower leagues. It's about the quality of the team. I'm just saying that with 5 seasons of experience your team is still on par with new registered users. That makes me conclude that you either do not fully understand the game (thus the clumsy, not thought through suggestion), or you keep your team crappy on purpose (why I do not know, fun???).
I'm 30 years old, so hardly a boy. Theres nothing wrong with suggesting things, but there have been clear argument here why it should not be done. Still yank on about it's better, more tactics, when it's clearly not the case, is a bit weird.
So in case you missed those posts, different tactics per quarter will ruin the defence tactics completely, thus making the game about luck. Everybody is basically forced to play man2man (or whatever tactic that evens out their od and id).
Playing 1q,3q with LI and 2q,4q, R&G -> you actually play push the ball but with better results. That just makes scouting your opponent impossible and nailing tactics really random.

In the game manual is written:
Whether an outside shot goes in is a combination of the individual and team outside scoring rating, as well as the opposing individual and team outside defense. If a great player is the only option on a bad team, he will draw more coverage, and therefore his shooting percentage will go down; similarly a bad player on the same team will only tend to shoot outside shots when he is wide open.

So when the defense is adjusted, the offense play will change, too. Right? It's also unclear to me when you say "the defense is adjusted, but not fully". To what extend is the defense adjusted then? either it is adjusted to the opponents offensive play or it is not. Or is it just half of the team which tries to adjust? I didn't get that. I would like to have more transparency on how things are adjusted.

the offense adjust, too. And if you choose the right tactic from beginning is it also better at the end of the game - so the adjustement don't equalize the setting, they made it less worse.