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Charles asked you to find a solution. Lets try and find one and no not one that charles already mentioned for obvious reasons isnt an option...

We already had the solution... then... "solution" to what? Closing ads and scrimmage threads is a solution for...? For what?! BB needs other than closing ads and scrimmage thread...

Before we had a thread with "announcements players" in the big communities and another in global forum (support for all people)
Why BB/GM changed this balance?
Before It wasn't easily?

I see envy, this is the true problem...

I see envy, this is the true problem...

Envy for a community where the local GMs make their own rules with impunity? I guess it depends on whether you're in with that clique about whether you'd find that a good thing.

Spain, the big community in BB closed the threads when he had to do it. No pain, no complaints, no tragedy. Just assuming that rules are the same for everybody.

In the forum areas of Buzzerbeater, it is not permitted to post:
- Player advertising.
- Scrimmage advertising.

Sorry, I didn't read it before... you were right. Sorry for my ignorance. Anyway I'll stay with my idea... sorry for that

I see envy, this is the true problem...

When you see envy; I see arrogance. Why keep playing the 1/5 BB population card? Its not hard to adapt; is it really a forum killer as people claim?

I still don't see reason why would anybody care if they were 1/5 or 4/5 BB population....
It seems that Italia is from another universe and can do what they want...
The most funny thing is that they are breaking rules and still complaining about it :DDDD

Last edited by Ref at 2/8/2010 9:40:45 AM

first, no one getting upset (not me atleast!), don't worry. it's still just a game :)
and i understood perfectly the point. i just believe we're goin thre wrong way here to solve it.
you're right, it would be sort of unfair to users of countries without an efficient forum. but so it's also unfair for them that we have a shitload of people who play and analize the game since season 1, that share game suggestions, help noobs, making the game-learning easier for new users who utilize the forums. actually i think we can easily agree that having expert users ready to help you in the forums is a much bigger ingame advantage than being able to post a transfer or scrimmage ad. so should we stop helping noobs because it's not fair to user of younger countries? i don't think someone would answer yes :P and still if i was a user of a small country i would be much more envious of the sharing of ingame experience that big country users can have, than of some nearly irrelevant ads.
while the game is a global one, forum life is mostly local. and i think that we should aim to improve forum life everywhere - yep, we can't add 500 mods tomorrow, but it should be a future objective. bar should be raised for comunities that are struggling - not lowered for countries who are doing fine.
that's my view on the game. Charles explain his ideas very clearly - and i assume we've different visions on how to handle such aspect of the game. and i think there is no objective answer, so i'll accept the on given by the game developers, while sharing my different own.
sorry for the wall of text :P

edit: i'll gladly discuss about the matter politely (until i get tired of writing :)), but i don't care about italy against the world stuff. i have no feeling of patriotism at all, just speakin for myself here.

Last edited by Zezo™ at 2/8/2010 9:54:01 AM

Spain, the big community in BB closed the threads when he had to do it. No pain, no complaints, no tragedy. Just assuming that rules are the same for everybody.

If a person want close all NT-threads because in his country not exist and his NT have problems to grow, we must close it in italian or spanish forum?
This is not a logical solution...
I think that every community have his balance and the rules must respect it

Moderate ads&scrimmage threads is an extra work for Italian GM-Mod, but they want moderate its and the italian comunity respect them for this sacrifice.
So, why this fact must become your problem?

It seems that Italia is from another universe and can do what they want...
The most funny thing is that they are breaking rules and still complaining about it

Another thing with closing down the transfer ads in all countries is to prevent views that label a group (in this case the Italians).

If there is one thing hollywood has taught us it is that you should not put people in cages. They get mad. They get out. Then they get even...

The same rules has to be enforced for everyone, and I hope everyone understand the importance of treating everyone the same way. I see the point made by Italian community, since I have often encountered potential U21 players that I want to make sure ends up at a serious manager. In relation to the U21/NT's I understand the urge/wish to have room in the forums for discussion so that young, willing and/or able players get treated the way they should. On the other hand I also believe (and seen) that foreign managers can manage U21/NT stars with as much vigor as domestic managers. Combined with the searching functions for the Player Market, it makes transfer ad threads obsolete. With a little belief in the average joe manager it is still possible to preserve the best talents. U21/NT thread allows for discussing players as long as individual skills are not disclosed*. The strong community that for instance Italy has built can be an inspiration to other countries that stuggle, and perhaps the removal of the transfer ad threads could make BB a more open community on an international level.

* At least not without owners consent and not in relation to a sale. (Can't see why anyone want to have their players skills available for their rivals to take advantage though).

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 2/8/2010 10:28:52 AM