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I've personally always had level 5 trainers. I switched over to 4's a few seasons back and it makes me feel like a bum. The extra 2-3 pops a season are worth it to me.

Last edited by Procta at 2/6/2015 3:16:36 AM

The economics of the game have switched around a few times. A couple of times I have been on the front of it, and a couple on the back. I managed to promote to the NBBA twice, and had a couple others I should have...and probably could easily have if I'd spent at the right times. I do think that when KDB demoted, he did it at just the right time. It was still easy enough to dominate lower levels, train, and make money at the same time. After that, it became much more difficult to do all three simultaneously. The times I could have promoted, had I, I would have had the money to challenge for the NBBA title in my first season. The problem was, I couldn't save that kind of money, already have a few of the players I would need, and have the resources I would need to do that. On the other hand, if the goal was simply promotion, it probably would have come easily. Then, I did make just promotion a goal, spent a pile of money, and proceeded to mess up my chance. One issue was that there were enough people trying the same thing, that if two people got into a promotion battle, it got very costly and risky. It usually would take a team that'd be midtable NBBA to win a II league. It then became much more likely that you'd spend quite a few seasons down. If that goes on for a couple seasons, you'll get stuck in the economics of the lower league. The long and short of that is, if a team has the ability to stay up, they should. Otherwise, it turns into a real longball game that can be boring.

I do think that when KDB demoted, he did it at just the right time. It was still easy enough to dominate lower levels, train, and make money at the same time. After that, it became much more difficult to do all three simultaneously.

That's my plan after I demote down from D.II, but if my Utopia team is any indication, then I'm going to have a rough time.

Way back when KDB was making his comeback trip to the NBBA, he did what you mention when he was in D.III. But when he Promoted to II.4, he immediately increased his payroll to over 600k. He also had a Level 6 (or 7, I forget which) trainer for his USA NT tandem of Nemesio and Goddard. Got lucky with a few draws and made the Finals of the Cup for some extra cash. But I want to say that he was losing 100k a week?

1st time here I can't resist the 400k net income u guys get here
Is it better just to tank it and get a top pick and come back with better roster and finances?
It burns about 1 mil in div II to get here but it's a washout with the promotion bonus
I don't see myself competing against a 900k roster anytime soon

Given how difficult it is to get up to the NBBA in the first place, there's no reason to do anything but give it your best shot, otherwise why bother promoting at all? If you reach a point where you're pretty much guaranteed to relegate, then maybe you break up the band at that point.

exactly
so i opted to get a few all star potential young guns and gonna do some basic 1v1 training for this season
and hopefully make them great backups and cup players
i can buy back 2 starters with the money i make/save this season
i guess i had only 1 real competitor omw here which was the clogs
i hope he makes it next season so i wont have to face him again in Div II

I can safely say that when it comes time for me to retool, that's probably how I'll start again, except I'll probably start off with a lot of two position pressure again. I mean, barely-capped star potential guys with good OD and other skills reasonable but not great were good enough to carry me in IV, be key players in III and do well in the Cup and as backups in II, and at least keep me reasonably competitive against guys like Hassan, who I've probably played in PLs and the Cup even more than I've played you the past few seasons (if only because I couldn't force a game 3). If you can have a lineup that can play defense, not turn the ball over, stay competitive on the boards, hit free throws and have enough depth that there are no really weak spots, you can be exceptionally successful even without outstanding players. Naturally, when you supplement that with outstanding players, it's even better, and that's probably been my Achilles heel here. ;)

And yeah, hopefully I'll make it. It's pretty scary that the only competitive games I've lost since September are two Cup losses to HD, two playoff losses to you, two losses against In Your Face (who of course came up and kicked ass) and one game I semi-tossed vs. Milwaukee leading into my first Cup game with HD. I think it's about time for me to finally get the long-overdue series of buttkickings my team has dodged so far pretty much my entire career here.

i thought OD goes faster if you have some decent DR and HD
i am gonna hit the OD next season where ever I end up at

holy smokes. DeSouza went off for 41 pts. against a very good guard on a very good team last night. wow. i have to say Tucumcari is playing like a 2-peat.

i also glanced to see how the USA was being represented in the B3. ozone had an extraordinarily difficult schedule thrown his way, with every single team at or below his national ranking. on the other hand, Delta 9 is living right -- i could see him winning all his games, and moving on to the knockout round.

and i have to take my team back to the schoolroom for some clarification about what a "motion" offense is. judging from last night, where my guys only had 11 assists, i think they believe the "motion" is using the player with the ball to use his hand to tell the other players to clear out and let him go one-on-one.

Everyone has a different view on this and I understand everyone's situation is different as well. But I'm personally not a fan of tank & rebuild strategy ..unless you already achieved what you can do in the NBBA and it's just time to try something new (like Bullish's case).

I am not a fan of tanking in general, and the idea of not competing....that said, the way BB has constructed the game and it's Economy, it can make it favorable in some instances. I was enjoying some success in the NBBA but my team was getting older & less and less valuable (monetarily), particularly my guards that I trained up.....It's difficult enough to have a solid consistent training program anyway, but trying to train players, especially out of position, while competing against the best teams/owners in the game, makes it even more difficult.

My plan in my recent stint in the NBBA after winning the cup was to retire after winning the NBBA Title that same season.....After coasting through the regular season with the best record in the league and HCA through the Finals, and a team I loved and felt was the best in the country, my staff was already ordering confetti, cake, balloons & Dancing Girls for our Championship/retirement celebration....However, Bullish Mentality didn't share my Bear outlook for his team in our Finals clash, and we were crushed in the finals and I had two choices....quit and give up on my dream of winning the NBBA title, or start over.

I decided it would take 4-6 seasons to rebuild the way I wanted to, and fighting against the grain to stay in the NBBA didn't seem appealing. Plus, and again, the way BB structured this game, there really are no rewards for finishing 2nd or lower...I know at the highest level the 2nd place team get's a losers trophy, but other than that accolade, finishing 2nd pretty much means you overspent to not be the best team in the league. As much as this can be frustrating, it does work into my personality though, because my mentality when competing is always to fight for the big prize. I am not in it to not win it.

Building my team around a core group of trainees served me well in this game, so I figured that was a place to start in my rebuild. The current group of trainees I had were nearing old age, and their value was going down by the season, so I figured it was time to sell, move on, and rebuild. So that is what I have been doing....working on my trainees and banking money. I spent a ton of money to acquire a SF that is better than any I have ever had in the past, and he has many, productive seasons left....so when I get back to the NBBA, I will have 3 starting positions solidified, and millions of dollars to spend to round out my roster and be ready to compete from Day 1, while still having training upside with my trainees who will be very competitive and still getting better by the week.

Personally, I think when teams tank, and put ultra crap rosters out there, their attendance should reflect that.....if you play in the NBBA and field a roster full of crap, you aren't going to see more than 10% of your seats filled if that were real life...but in this game, the penalty isn't harsh enough to dissuade it....That said, this game features so many aspects that cost you money and make it difficult to sustain, let alone grow, they will probably never address that unless they do a complete overhaul that rewards teams for being competitive while at the same time not creating a huge gulf between them and those who are not super competive.

While I hate tanking and think it takes away from the competitive spirit of the game, it does create an atmosphere of fresh blood in the top leagues....How many teams are in the NBBA that were here for 4 seasons ago? Without checking, i am guessing 2, maybe 3. Personally, I like longevity and I think Dynasty's are cool...but it's nice to see everyone have an opportunity to achieve the highest level in the game too.

Last edited by Jason at 2/8/2015 2:03:15 PM

Yeah, I wasn't happy when I saw my B3 schedule. It really sucked the fun out of my first shot at B3 competition to get a schedule like that. Good luck to Delta 9! It would be nice to see one of the USA teams have a good showing.

I 100% agree that tanking sucks. But I appreciate the many different sentiments expressed this debate. For me it was simple, my D2 was much easier than it should have been. I feel as though I was on a plan to be here in another 2 or 3 seasons but I saw an opening last season. So I sold off some trainees, bought some older players that were cheaper to help me advance and here I am. I played the crazy market to start the year, sold my roster for 7 million that I bought for far less than that. I can sit here and bank my 350 a week plus cup and fix some of the financial problems I was experiencing. Had I been in a harder D2 I wouldn't have been able to promote so cheaply so this money grab wouldn't have been as profitable. But if an advantage presents its self, sometimes you gotta go for it.

I have kicked around staying up but as I sit here with lots of cash, that honestly I can't believe my competitive side hasn't kicked in and spent yet, but that will be determined by when players start to return to a somewhat normal value. I'm not seeing many deals out there yet.

I am open to whatever path the market takes me on. Buying D1 guys to potentially fighting to stay up or buying streamlined D2 players that will give me major bang for my salary buck to fight off the demotion penalty with as light of salary as possible while still winning some games.

Last edited by Hoosier at 2/10/2015 4:37:19 AM