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Hi all, I know there is a mentor form however, I would like help and advice from people in my country if in the long term I want to help train players for the u21/NT.

So just two question for in the long term training players for u21 and NT.

The pinned U21 form says Big Man Height - 6'8" or taller (taller is better) 18yo min. - Superstar Potential (8); IS+ID+RB>14 21yo min. - 13IS, 13ID, 13RB.

For this to happen I am thinking that You need a 18yr old or a great 19yrs. However, 19yr old's have less time training time. So if you have a 18yr old. Is it best to train one year ID, then second year IS and then third year RB? or would you level each one up a couple and then move on to the next one etc..

However, PG.
Height - Up to 6'4" 18yo min. - Perennial Allstar Potential (7); OD+HA+PA>14; 30 Guard Skills
21yo min. - 14OD, 13PA, 65 Guard Skills

when you are wanting to train a PG If you trained OD and then PA does the JS and JR need to be high?

Thanks for your help.

I knew going in this was going to be tough, but I didn't realise how tough. As I said on friday, we had very good game shape today, with only one possible starter missing, but what we didn't have was HCA and enthusiasm. We've had a somewhat difficult schedule and have had to normal more than I would have liked and so we went in today with a bit of a disadvantage. My hope was Slovenia wouldn't normal, but it was a fairly slim hope, I didn't really expect them to take this game for granted, and sure enough, they didn't.

Both teams used the obvious LI and predicted inside tactics so no gain there. I'd picked the inside players with best inside defence who were in the best shape in the hope of restricting Slovenia's inside shooting. This did not work. From the way it appeared throughout the game their OD always looked better than ours. This is borne out in the number of assists for both teams, in which they always had about twice ours.

We actually were in the game at half time. In fact, we'd been getting closer throughout the first half after a poor start, and we had a lot of hope at the half. Then, an utter collapse in the second half led to probably our worst defeat in quite a while.

All in all pretty dreadful stuff. In hindsight, it would have been better to have taken it easy in the earlier games we lost, but without a crystal ball, and feeling we would have done better in those games than we actually did, I decided to go for it. I still think that was the right thing to do, but I did it and I accept the consequences.

At least that was our last away game until the next round, and we finish off with a home game next monday against Pakistan.

Sorry for dealing with the game report first, I wanted to get it out of the way.

For this to happen I am thinking that You need a 18yr old or a great 19yrs. However, 19yr old's have less time training time. So if you have a 18yr old. Is it best to train one year ID, then second year IS and then third year RB? or would you level each one up a couple and then move on to the next one etc..

To answer very simply, in your words I'd level each one up, then move on to the next. However, its more complicated than that. For a start, I'd want an inside player to have SB as well as the other three skills. And at both u21 and NT levels players need more than just those primary skills. All players should have DR which should be at least close to the highest primary skills. Also, all players should have secondary skills. For bigs that's the guard skills, and vice versa.

If that seems vague, its because its difficult to give a more specific answer as it depends very much on the player's starting skills.

You are absolutely right that if you're talking about a 19yo he would need to be great compared to the 18yo.

However, PG.
Height - Up to 6'4" 18yo min. - Perennial Allstar Potential (7); OD+HA+PA>14; 30 Guard Skills
21yo min. - 14OD, 13PA, 65 Guard Skills

when you are wanting to train a PG If you trained OD and then PA does the JS and JR need to be high?

Again this can depend on the situation. For the NT certainly he'd need JS and JR. Personally as NT manager I'd accept a player with better PA if his JS and JR were lower but not everyone would. For the u21s it probably depends on the manager's taste too, but always given similar OD/PA, then the coach will always select the better shooter.

As I said above, guards with inside skills are also more likely to make the squad than those without.

This was honestly a brutal test playing against Slovenia when there GS was good and they had an advantage with enthusiasm and HCA. I don't think you could have done anymore than what you did to restrict a very strong national side. Lets just hope we make it into the top 32 and progress through to the next round despite a tough draw being expected if so.

I would like help and advice from people in my country if in the long term I want to help train players for the u21/NT

I have trained a couple of players that have played for U21 and one for the National team so I kind of have an idea of what I'm doing so if you'd like any help in selecting trainees and plans for trainees then feel free to drop me a message anytime and I'll reply as soon as I see it.

Welcome to the game Thorus, I agree with what Gully said.

Optic Fibres is a great guy and I'm sure he'll have some great tips for you.

If you have any questions, the English lads on here will be more than willing to help!

Thank you Gully, js8 and jamesc1 really appreciate it.

Say you have an exceptional trainer or above. For a U21 ID, IS and RB at 13 min etc.. how long does it take to then move that player into the NT. That is if the player is good enough as DR and JS would need to be worked on. If you had a PF how much OD would you train them up to have for the NT?

There's a few things that affect how quickly a player will improve such as starting skills, the height of the player and as you mentioned the skill of the trainer. There are various programmes that can calculate how long it'll roughly take however, to make a player possible of being a national team regular, there potential will need to be at least MVP otherwise they'll cap and then you can improve skills such as DR, JS, SB and OD.

Ok, can you mention which programmes they are please or Mail me them if possible.

Is there any overlap with ID/OD and SB. For example if you have a 16-20 defensive player but with low SB of around 4-8. Do they block just as many shots because of their defensive skill as a player with a defensive skill of around 10 but with 10+ SB.
Obviously a player who can block shots is important but would have thought that would have come under ID/SB in some way or another?

Say you have an exceptional trainer or above. For a U21 ID, IS and RB at 13 min etc.. how long does it take to then move that player into the NT. That is if the player is good enough as DR and JS would need to be worked on. If you had a PF how much OD would you train them up to have for the NT?

It would take roughly 2-3 seasons just for the inside skills, and that's ignoring SB. Economically its probably better to have two skills higher than the others, otherwise the player becomes very expensive. Some would argue you should leave one skills much lower but I'm not especially in favour of that.

Generally its rare to see young players on NTs. Our youngest is Big Mac MacAusland, who has actually been on the NT for several seasons. He's a freak however.

A much usual progression is that of Robert Osman who plays for Tatatallfellas in the EBBL. He could be on the NT now at 25 (he isn't because he played for a bot earlier in the season so had poor game shape) and indeed he was last season but he still needed some training to be the equal of our other big men. From that I think we can generalise that it takes about 3-5 seasons to train a player from u21 to NT. Of course there will always be exceptions. Some players have very high starting skill counts.

For OD, I see I've put 7 as the requirement on the NT page. I'm not entirely happy saying that, I regard it as the minimum really for a PF, even at league level. I'd much prefer at least 10, but the taller the player the more difficult it is to train OD. (Normally the taller the player the more suited he is to C rather than PF for this reason.)

Ok, can you mention which programmes they are please or Mail me them if possible.

yes, I'll mail them to you.

Is there any overlap with ID/OD and SB. For example if you have a 16-20 defensive player but with low SB of around 4-8. Do they block just as many shots because of their defensive skill as a player with a defensive skill of around 10 but with 10+ SB.

Obviously SB and ID do work together a bit but say a player who had 12 ID and 12 SB was compared to a player of 16 ID and 8 SB, I'd imagine the 12 SB player were to block more.
Using my players as a reference, one of my players has 14 ID and 8 SB and another has 16 ID and 7 SB, my player with the higher SB blocks more shots despite having lower ID.