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I like the new tool. Of course, it is not perfect, but we cannot evaluate this tool until the transfer market is not much more developed, in the sense of many more transfers per week and much more equilibrium in prices (so not big prices changes from week to week).
Both things are consequence of the fact that BB is a relatively young game.
Therefore, the price estimation tool works as well as possible for the current situation.

I prefer a large price range (so I understand that the price of my player is hard to evaluate), than a wrong price. The tool is providing all the necessary information we need to evalutate if the estimation is good or not: number of transfers and main skill taken into account. For me, it seems evident that other skills are also considered. Then we all have a brain to decide whether to take it or not.

We can start now a race to show as many examples as possible of how bad this tool is working. But I am pretty sure, if we considerer all the cases where the tool is working precisely, the race will be lost by far.

i think that this is quite a good tool. with so many variables in BB, it's hard to have a very detailed and accurate like many of u have complained about. so it's good for something that is new, with a little tweaking, this can be a detailed and accurate tool

I would prefer a more detailed transfer market search tool - which lets you input Potential, Wage range, average game rating range, height range etc.. but the most important feature would be potential and wage i guess.

Let me second this. I'm not sure about average game range, but every item that is public knowledge when a player is listed should be searchable through the transfer list.

This is an excellent example of why I like this feature.

Guys are trying to peddle that player for $650k when realistically he should go for around $150k. People are upset that they can't gouge each other, which speaks more to human nature than anything but if it can be curtailed then good.

I'm sure the admins will look at all this, and see how things develop, and make changes as necessary. I think this is a great idea, and another example of why it didn't take me too long on this site before becoming a supporter. Excellent anticipation of the needs of newer players.

Hi all,
Thanks for this thread -- it's good to see how people are responding to the transfer list.
I wanted to make a couple clarifications, though, based on what I've read here.

1) Players are binned on the information that is listed (age, potential, expected position, and top relevant skill). We have found that these four factors have the biggest effect on the transfer price, so they were used.

2) Secondary skills are taken into account: That is, within a bin, your player is compared to the most similar players with the same age, potential, position, and top skill. So, a bin might have 100 transfers in the range of $1k to $1000k, but the most similar few might be in the range of $500k - $700k. So, it's more than just the top skill.

3) The data that is given is purely based on previous transfers. So, by definition it isn't going to undervalue allstar potential players, or condemn over-30 players -- it only shows what the market thinks of them.

4) Because of the minimal data we have available, some players will have very wide price ranges. Our model is intended to give as much information as is possible -- for some players, it is just impossible to give too much info. So, if the price estimator works well for 50% of players, and doesn't work well for the other 50%, then it's still very useful -- just ignore it for the latter 50%.

5) The tool will get better over time, as more and more transfers are made. We only look at the most recent few weeks, but as the game grows, the tool will get better and better.

I hope this helps explain the most common concerns I've seen in this thread. Keep the discussion going, though, and I'll check back every so often.

Cheers!

I found a funny example too:

(2988307)

$ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000, for this player? seriously? give me two of them in that case.

this label is just completely out of proportion, a player like that, 19 years old and with all those skills would go for at least the double, on a bad market day

Thanks for the clarification.

Could you also confirm us that this new tool will not ultimately (in the short or long run)be used to determine the "market rate" of a player but will just remain an indication to help managers? (It is against BuzzerBeater rules to bid above market rates on a player)

LA-André example is great and illustrates my concern. This player is worth much more than what mentioned, so if this tool would one day become a way to measure the "market rate" would it mean that the manager who sold him would only receive 1.2 million? (since the bid was above market rate...)

Last edited by johny13 at 6/2/2008 1:51:47 PM

Two points:

1) Yes, this is only an indicator of market rates. GMs will look at all cases individually, and will never use this as part of an automated banning tool (but it will certainly help them find problem cases).

2) With this player in particular, it says "Alpsagun Yesevi is probably better than all 7 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000." So, it's essentially say that this player won't sell for less than $1.2M. That's the best info we have on him -- his secondary skills are plentiful and all very strong, (see, i told you secondaries were taken into account :-)) so it thinks he's better than all the other players with the same Prominent JS and Allstar Potential for 19 year olds.

Last edited by BB-Mark at 6/2/2008 4:21:01 PM

Alpsagun Yesevi is probably better than all 7 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000

:)

probably,it should say 10x

Just kidding,the tool is very inaccurate