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A. It's not impossible for a team to lose any game, real life or BB. The original poster seemed to intimate it is.

Actually, I don't think he did. His initial post was asking for someone to explain to him how he lost. A direct quote of his second post:

I'm not complaining about losing to a worse team - that's realism.

I'm complaining about dominating the game on every level and STILL losing, even though the bot team is two levels below me, has a terrible team, and was outplayed in every facet.

He was absolutely looking for help, and he never said that "loss = game sucks". When he asked why he lost and your response was simply "random factor," it's a pretty logical jump for him to think the only reason he lost was because of intentional randomness in the game, which is obviously frustrating.

Actually, I don't think he did. His initial post was asking for someone to explain to him how he lost. A direct quote of his second post:

Then why say:

This is like the Celtics losing a tight game to a high school team,even though in the GAME they played like the Celtics and the highschool team played like a high school team.

This isn't a 'random factor', this is ridiculous.

The attitude certainly seems to indicate that the OP felt that he should never lose a game like this.

He was absolutely looking for help, and he never said that "loss = game sucks".

That's what he seems to be saying here:

This game needs a LOT of growing up to do before it comes close to being realistic...

That's little more than a potshot based on flawed logic.

Would someone like to explain to me how I lost my cup game yesterday to a bot two levels under me, when I dominated every aspect of the game?

got a little bit lucky with 3p....got reallativy lots of FT...

His comparison to a high school team only came after your flippant response about random factor. In his eyes, his loss equated to something that should never happen, but instead of trying to explain to him why it could, like 1) divisions don't matter right now b/c the game is so new 2) you had a lot of turnovers 3) did you TIE?, etc, you just said "it's random, that's part of the game."

I'd be frustrated too if I was him. To be a new user and come to the global conf looking for help and get continued dismissive responses from a GM had to be very frustrating for him, so I understand why he made his "potshot based on flawed logic." But it never would have come about had you taken the time to give him a proper answer in the first place. My point is, you never went out of your way to explain yourself properly. I know you have more BB knowledge than "random factor" so why not use it to help people?

You want to know why I responded why I responded?

There seem to be a million "how did I loose?!?!??!" threads around, it gets frustrating. The easiest (not the best in some cases) answer is to remind people that there is indeed a random factor.

Could I have given a more in-depth answer? Sure. Should I have? Yes.

I'm only human, though, and every post I make isn't going to be 100% the best I can do, although that is definitely the goal.

When it comes down to it, "random factor" IS the correct answer. It's just not, in this case, probably the best answer/

For what its worth, what I've learned about BuzzerBeater in the one month I've been playing is that the variance in team quality right now is narrow. That is, compared to say, Hattrick where team quality runs the full spectrum of talent from A to F, BuzzerBeater currently runs from D- to D+, a very narrow band.

As the seasons progress, BB teams will progress up the scale, filling in C, B, and finally A.

This means that currently the narrow band of talent, when combined with random numbers, pretty much guarantees that the D+ teams in DII will lose to D- teams from DIV quite often.

Also, the talent level of the players on the current National Teams is very poor compared to the planned level of talent that will evolve over time. Comparing NBA talent to the talent currently on the rosters of National Teams is not right. Indeed, it so flawed its not even a good enough theory to be wrong.

Put another way, putting a Pistons jersey on the Longwood College team does not make them the Pistons. They will still have only a better than even chance to beat VMI or Radford. And no one should be shocked if VMI or Radford wins.

It will be several seasons (I don't know how many, of course) before BB reaches Final Four talent levels, and a few more before it reaches a consistent level of producing NBA quality players.

I feel your frustration, and I'm not trying to beat on you for not being perfect, I just think in this case your half response did more harm than good. I know it must get old having to answer a million of those threads, but that's part of being a GM, no?

Of course.

I've said that my response could have been better.

If nothing else, you're going to get complete honesty from me (unless I'm asked something that I cannot divulge, of course).

Edited by GM-JuicePats (11/29/2007 3:37:47 PM CET)

Last edited by Edju at 11/29/2007 3:37:47 PM

Fair enough, and thank you for listening.

Excellent post.

And this is why the BBs want to speed up some of the differentiation in the game I assume.

Thanks. I think that is their goal right now.