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16940.35 in reply to 16940.34
Date: 2/27/2008 4:37:07 PM
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I don't find it unrealistic. Or to quote myself:
Let's put it into another perspective. Imagine it doesn't say CT and TIE, but instead this is a function of how good a pep talk the coach gives the team in the locker room, or how much time he spends drawing plays on the board.

I view it simply as a function of how much time and effort the coach spends to prepare his team before (or even during) a game.

Maybe you think it's the same for every competitive game - I am not sure.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 2/27/2008 4:49:41 PM
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Continuing with your analogy then:

If a coach does a poor job preparing the team and/or gives a bad pep talk for the game. But the next game, the coach gets back to work and prepares like he normally does, and now they play even better?

to push this further:

The coach becomes a total slacker for a week, and the team is unprepared and is not motivated by their coach. Then, he decides to get back to the usual preparation and bam, the team is several levels better. Huh?

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Date: 2/27/2008 5:05:13 PM
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Continuing with your analogy then:

If a coach does a poor job preparing the team and/or gives a bad pep talk for the game. But the next game, the coach gets back to work and prepares like he normally does, and now they play even better?

to push this further:

The coach becomes a total slacker for a week, and the team is unprepared and is not motivated by their coach. Then, he decides to get back to the usual preparation and bam, the team is several levels better. Huh?

Obviously not. But on the other hand, it makes sense that the less time players spend in front of a chalk board or in a lecture room, the more enthusiastic they are about playing.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 2/27/2008 5:19:39 PM
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Koz,

The "new" system would still allow weaker teams to surprise better teams by CT'ing.

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Date: 2/27/2008 5:28:04 PM
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Koz,

The "new" system would still allow weaker teams to surprise better teams by CT'ing.

Except the magnitude of this effect is severely diminished, because the better teams won't be able to TIE. That's my point.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 2/27/2008 5:42:55 PM
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Except the magnitude of this effect is severely diminished, because the better teams won't be able to TIE. That's my point.

Actually, that's our point.

Right now, all the best teams are TIE'ing almost every game. So when we do run into a minnow, our enthu is so high that even an ill-conceived CT on the minnow's part (which would result in them losing subsequent games against lesser competition) would not result in a "shock" victory for the minnow.

That's the first good point you've made.

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Date: 2/27/2008 6:41:13 PM
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Couldn't you effectively end agreements like this by giving no enthusiasm bonus if both teams TIE?

I realize there is some downside to this...but just thought I throw it out there.


Steve
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Date: 2/27/2008 7:55:29 PM
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Couldn't you effectively end agreements like this by giving no enthusiasm bonus is both teams TIE?

I realize there is some downside to this...but just thought I throw it out there.



A sensible idea, easy to implement, one would think.

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Date: 2/27/2008 8:03:35 PM
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As to the realism of TIE, of course it is not realistic.

Recent NBA seasons have several 'piling it on' complaints where losers have whined about teams leaving stars in despite 20+ point leads, or making showoff dunk shots in the waning moments of blowout victories. Hardly a TIE mind-set, is it?

Further, in reality, if a team has dogged it the first half of a game it should win easily, the coach will ream out the team at half time, and any sense of TIE will be gone. (Although the team may still lose, of course.) Losing a TIE game as a benefit for the long haul is silly.


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Date: 2/27/2008 8:16:16 PM
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Couldn't you effectively end agreements like this by giving no enthusiasm bonus if both teams TIE?

I realize there is some downside to this...but just thought I throw it out there.


Steve
Bruins


I'd be angry if I TIEd and received no benefit if the other team, unknown to me, TIEd also.

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Date: 2/27/2008 10:43:22 PM
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Except the magnitude of this effect is severely diminished, because the better teams won't be able to TIE. That's my point.

Actually, that's our point.

Right now, all the best teams are TIE'ing almost every game. So when we do run into a minnow, our enthu is so high that even an ill-conceived CT on the minnow's part (which would result in them losing subsequent games against lesser competition) would not result in a "shock" victory for the minnow.

That's the first good point you've made.

You think it is a good point because you misunderstood what I said. If you're a weak team and you're playing a good team, your chances to beat him are diminished by the fact that there is one level of intensity less - i.e. if you CT vs. Normal you're worse off than if you CT vs. TIE.

The fact that half of the teams have completely no clue how to manage their enthusiasm over the course of the season is completely beside the point.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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