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Well, at least you reply to one concern, even if it is the more minor.

Except that your fan will absolutely prefer you to win the title. If you are willing to not win as much money as you could next season, I guess you can influnce the results in PO. However, you can already do that nowadays. Teams will CT last game of the season and change the rankings, will CT or not during PO, changing the chances of the other teams.

These are all natural ways to influence the league, and not against the spirit of competition. I'm disappointed you don't see the difference or have rushed to come up with a dismissal of a perfectly valid argument with a weak answer that's not the same situation at all.

And really not a fan of the promotion rules, or the boycott. The way I build a team is to build from the ground up, compete for a couple seasons, sell off and 'trust the process'. I liked the ability to compete for a few seasons, then focus on training for a few seasons. Now it seems like you have to be perpetually competing, and have made it really difficult to build up assets. I think that will just hinder younger teams, and discourage folks for risking it to go for it all because building back up will take so long.
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But thats just totally unrealistic.

See, you and I assume BB see that as unrealistic, but I see that as fundamental to basketball management and obviously it takes a slightly different form in a game. You have extremes like the 76ers that have employed the strategy of rebuilding, but most teams will want to rebuild through draft picks/picking up youth. If you look at Celtics who did it pre-big 3, Cavs picking up several top picks then making a run when they could pick up Lebron, Timberwolves now are investing in their youth. The way the new system is being brought through, it'll heavily encourage the selling of some of the youth in order to continue trying to be top 4 in your conference; not letting you actually get the resources needed to make a big push. And if you look at my team history, you'll notice it isn't full tanking (because it has never made sense regardless), but trying to maintain as low a salary as possible and continue competing.

There's another issue that occurs to me with the new method of promoting.

Imagine I'm the regular season winner. I'm already guaranteed to promote. I don't need to win the final. Now imagine my opponent isn't the second best team in the regular season. I can now decide who gets to promote. If I win the final, the second best team in the regular season promotes. If I lose the final the winner of the final promotes and so do I.

What if one of those is my friend and one isn't? I can be spiteful and make sure the person I don't like stays in D2. That's just awful. It goes against the spirit of gaming and the spirit of proper competition.

This has happened in BB from the beginning. Every time there is a bot in an upper division, some teams knew that they had a sure promotion.
About the friend issue, it's already happening. Not that it will change a lot.

This has happened in BB from the beginning. Every time there is a bot in an upper division, some teams knew that they had a sure promotion.
About the friend issue, it's already happening. Not that it will change a lot.

As I said to Perpete, you're not comparing similar situations. One comes within the bounds of competitive spirit and one is artifically manufactured by the BBs.

I can clearly see that what is happening here is the door is being closed to discussion, as always The sheer contempt for discussion shown by BBs EGM, and GMs beggars belief.

For my own sake, I'm out of BB Global until Wednesday.

Not every complaints is wrong, some arguments are good, but I have just no personal interest to keep answering and deal with the whole thing.

You didn't last long. Pitiful.

The fact that we don't agree with you in some points doesn't mean that the door is closed to discuss it.

The fact is we're not discussing the same thing, and you're only responding to one of my concerns about one of the changes.

And we can't have a discussion when you're saying I'm wrong and then explaining why I'm wrong by giving examples that have nothing to do with what I said.

It is so frustrating, not just for me, trying to discuss things with BBs, and EGMs, because we always end up with the same thing. You all saying you're right, that any reasoned argument will be dismissed with barely a thought, and by bickering over things that have nothing to do with the original argument.

And we can't have a discussion when you're saying I'm wrong and then explaining why I'm wrong by giving examples that have nothing to do with what I said.

You are saying that you have a concern about people not winning POs on purpose and about people helping friends.
And I'm telling you that both things are happening now. So I think I'm answering what you are asking.
You can argue that the number of cases could be higher with the new system and Perpete has told you that it's worse for a team promoting if he is not the winner of the POs and I guess it's something related with your concerns as well.

You want to discuss things but you don't like that we disagree with you?
In Spain forum, for example, most users who gave their opinion like the promotion change.