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NT injuries: do they ever last?

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39702.35 in reply to 39702.33
Date: 7/22/2008 1:47:06 PM
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How overstated is it. If you play 50% more games than other players. And the odds are the same that you get an injury. I think you will have 50% more chance of getting an injury. no matter how small the %Injury per game.

I'm not saying that skills doesn't mean anything nor did i say that your inferior or something. I'm just saying that skill doesn't mean all, like most of the managers may think. I'm simply one of those managers who take into account other factors. Doesn't mean i'm a better manager, i simply try and valuate players more than just their skills.


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39702.36 in reply to 39702.32
Date: 7/22/2008 1:50:53 PM
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Oh yes, i just follow NBA. Don't follow much european NBA. That's why i wasn;t really that sure about basketball.

But it's true that people play over hundreds games, but how many league game have they played though. Over thousand i suppose.

Soccer though, most people play between around 10-100. And they probably more than 500 league games and practice matches etc.

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39702.37 in reply to 39702.35
Date: 7/22/2008 2:12:14 PM
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How overstated is it. If you play 50% more games than other players. And the odds are the same that you get an injury. I think you will have 50% more chance of getting an injury. no matter how small the %Injury per game.

Well, it is a bit more complicated than that, since injuries depend on getting fouled, and getting fouled likely depends on the amount of minutes played, not the amount of games. But assuming that NT players play between 48 and 80 minutes, the average increase in minutes played is indeed about .55, so I'll take that statement back

Either way, the more important point is that this figure is extremely misleading,since a .500 growth is extremely small if the base value is sufficiently low. I do believe that the risk of getting an injury is, indeed, sufficiently low.

I'm not saying that skills doesn't mean anything nor did i say that your inferior or something. I'm just saying that skill doesn't mean all, like most of the managers may think. I'm simply one of those managers who take into account other factors. Doesn't mean i'm a better manager, i simply try and valuate players more than just their skills.

Please note that this is not HT, where the individual qualities of the player don't matter and the GE uses team ratings to determine the match outcome. BB uses individual qualities to a large degree when determining what happens in a possession. Additionally, BB players have way more meaningful skills.

Therefore, it is quite useful to know whether a SG with a salary of X is a superior defender, a superior shooter, or maybe whether he lacks range or passing. As opposed to that, in HT you can generally infer the level of the primary and most meaningful skill by the salary of the player.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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39702.38 in reply to 39702.37
Date: 7/22/2008 2:16:00 PM
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I never played HT, so i don't relate to any of the HT terms or way of play.

But i do know that, from personal experience, that some all-round respectable may well outperform a well-round proficient type of player. It's just blame this to hidden factors.

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39702.39 in reply to 39702.38
Date: 7/22/2008 2:18:46 PM
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I never played HT, so i don't relate to any of the HT terms or way of play.

Oh well, scratch that part then. It doesn't add much to the argument there anyhow.

But i do know that, from personal experience, that some all-round respectable may well outperform a well-round proficient type of player. It's just blame this to hidden factors.

Interesting. My experience shows that at just about any position there is a combination of 4 proficient skills that is vastly superior to any combination of 8 respectable skills.

I guess we must just agree to disagree on that.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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39702.40 in reply to 39702.25
Date: 7/22/2008 2:34:14 PM
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NT games give experience, that is a fact.

I'm waiting for an answer on the injury front.



Well I have a player (almost ever present) that STILL shows up with not played enough games to give him any rankings.... (2439161)

I am not doubting the experience (as much as I used to!) but the extra must be miniscule to say the least..... but if a player (like above) is not being recognized in the system as having played enough games to get a ranking when he clearly has - does that mean somewhere along the lines he isnt being given any experience?

back onto the thread subject - the no injuries should go hand in hand with no exp or exp + injuries... i'd be up for denying my players the chance to play for their NT but cant ever seeing this getting off the ground...

With so many of the starting players having high random experiences vs recent drafts all starting out very low its hard to see the effect games have on exp...

IF we can figure out a formula which surely doesnt have to be kept a guarded secret (does it?) then we can move towards a solution where the trade off for having a NT player is fair should an injury occur.

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39702.41 in reply to 39702.39
Date: 7/22/2008 2:46:12 PM
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Ah well, every has their own way of managing. ;)

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39702.42 in reply to 39702.40
Date: 7/22/2008 6:22:48 PM
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I can add a small piece of evidence from my own roster.

A player of mine has played 2 1/2 seasons for me and 1 1/2 seasond as well for the NT of Mexico. I was in the fortunate situatoion that started with experience level 4 (!) but until some days there was no movement at all. He now is 5.

From: Huzzel

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39702.43 in reply to 39702.42
Date: 7/23/2008 5:03:34 AM
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okay so it seems national players get experience form NT-matches.

what about the salary? is it still a plan from the BBs that those salaries will be paid by the NT. If so, when will this happen? I think it will be important to know this well ahead of time, so we can plan our steps.

e.g. I know from teams in lower leagues they are selling their NT-player, because they cant pay them anymore.


edit: sorry pallu. didnt mean to address this post to you

Last edited by Huzzel at 7/23/2008 5:04:03 AM

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39702.44 in reply to 39702.43
Date: 7/23/2008 5:51:15 AM
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Last season, they made it pretty clear they would not refund salary, for they believe that being in the NT is enough a reward on its own.

Not really sure what they will do now. Might hear it from Juicepats, because he is trying to figure things out with the BB at the moment.

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39702.45 in reply to 39702.25
Date: 7/23/2008 1:18:54 PM
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I'm waiting for an answer on the injury front.

All BBs on vacation? ;-)



Last season, they made it pretty clear they would not refund salary, for they believe that being in the NT is enough a reward on its own.
I am not sure but I believe it was officially announced that there is a refund for nt-players. if this is not anymore the case, why is this not officially announced???
Or did I miss the News on this topic?

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