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Maybe they don't give that much points, but see this:

35 Nederland Europe 8 3 1176 1037 71% 67.4
38 Srbija Europe 7 5 1146 1006 64% 62.9
73 Bosna i Hercegovina Europe 1 5 585 747 34% 30.8

We woud have at least 10 points more if we played scrimmages... Serbia had only 1 or 2 (I don't remember correctly) official victories, all the rest are from NT scrimmages... And look where they are, and where are we...

You didn't miss a lot of NT points by not playing scrimmages, because scrimmages barely contribute to the NT rankings. I have posted this example before, you will see here how strange the NT rankings are decided:

I dont think so...

Here is one example...
68. Panama - official matches 0/7 - SC 1/3 - Total matches 1/10 ..... 42,9 points
69. Singapur - official matches 1/7 - SC 0/1 - Total matches 1/8 ..... 42,3 points

I know that difference is minor (0,6 points), BUT this shows that Official match vs Scrimmage rating is not so minor...
The important fact is that Panama is better positioned only because they played MORE matches than Singapor (never won Official match), ... It is clearly seen specialy cause Singapur WON 1 Official match, and Panama's only win is in Scrimmage...

Edited by nanda (1/22/2008 1:18:22 PM CET)

Last edited by metuzalem at 1/22/2008 1:18:22 PM

the calculation of NT points is very strange..it depends also on strength of the team..for exemple:

18 Tounes Africa 7 5 128,8
21 Nigeria Africa 10 2 125,7

they played the same official matches (11) with the same opponents..but tounes has more points because it is weaker,even if nigeria won more matches..so it is difficult to say how much is important a friendly for NT points..

Edited by mr_burns (22/01/2008 15.03.07 CET)

Last edited by mr_burns (goodbye BB!) at 1/22/2008 3:03:07 PM

I dont think so...
Here is one example...
68. Panama - official matches 0/7 - SC 1/3 - Total matches 1/10 ..... 42,9 points
69. Singapur - official matches 1/7 - SC 0/1 - Total matches 1/8 ..... 42,3 points

I know that difference is minor (0,6 points), BUT this shows that Official match vs Scrimmage rating is not so minor...

Check out the continents. Africa is the only continent where every single team played 10 official match. You dont see any team of Africa in the bottom 40 teams of the ranking, even though most of the teams belong there. (there are a few exceptions of course)

Of course, scrimmages do influence the rankings, but winning 6 scrimmages and 3 official games and losing 1 scrimmage and 2 official games won't even give you more points than losing 9 official games and winning 1.

So I think the result of the game isn't even that important as well, otherwise this wouldn't be possible since Nederland won 3 official games and lost 2, and Misr won 1 official game and lost 9. It's more the amount of official game played who give you the points instead of wether you won or lose.

(34 Misr Africa 1 9 650 833 100% 69.6
35 Nederland Europe 8 3 1176 1037 71% 67.4
)

When you compare the teams of every continent (so about the same amount of official matches (of course exceptions there again)) with eachother you will see a difference, but still I think the formula should be changed there.

Edited by PatjeBono (1/22/2008 3:37:07 PM CET)

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/22/2008 3:37:07 PM

I know... And I agree... There are some unknown things on the system of rating NTs… perhaps needs some more developing or at least explanation…
But the thing is that I was referring the problem with our NT coach who went inactive, so we are stuck with only 1 SC instead of couple more... The whole point is really not about rankings... It is about finding out skills of players in NT and their performances which should be done in SC games... That is the sole intention with my argument that Scrimmages could help our NT... Of course, there is also some prestige in rankings, but at the moment it is same for me if my NT is on 74th or 72nd place...

Yeah that's true, but the seeding for the next WC qualifications will be based on the NT ranking, so that's where rankings come in.

Although I have seen some great idea's on the Belgium forums I believer, who are in the same situation, their NT coach turned bot as well. But some guys there said that they should just make a scouting team, which is the only way to try to keep up with the other countrys so that you can present your list of known best players to the new NT.

As i know, in czech republic, when they realize that NT coach is inactive, they started to do scouting on their own. Now they have a database, but no acces to the team, so the players and also new coach can not gain match experience.

As i know, in czech republic, when they realize that NT coach is inactive, they started to do scouting on their own. Now they have a database, but no acces to the team, so the players and also new coach can not gain match experience.

Players don't get experience by playing in the National Team. But the biggest problem is that you guys can't see the ratings of those players combined, so you don't know the strength of your team, because your coach is inactive. But that's the only difference I think.

Players don't get experience by playing in the National Team

Who told you that?

I believe I told this once, but don't recall to whom.
This is why (from the rules):

Having your player on a national team will not affect his player ratings or weekly minutes in any way

since the rules say it does not affect his ratings, I don't think he gets experience, since experience is one of his ratings... no?
Also if it does not affect minutes in any way, I'd think there are no minutes to get experience from... no?