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I think you are giving too much importance to the baseline rankings. As we said, this is ranking is a very rough guideline. Since botteams don't scout, they use this guideline. I don't expect to see the top talents ending up at botteams all the time. Sure botteams might get a better overall player than in the old system, but I don't think it's gonna be a huge change in leagues with 1 or 2 botteams.
The reason we removed the random picking of botteams to this system, is that teams in a league with lets say 14 botteams got too much of an advantage above other players. They could and win most games, and pick the best talents. If you are in a league with that many botteams it will certainly be somewhat harder to get the best talents, but for most managers (there are few leagues with that many botteams) you won't see much of a change.

I agree on this one with you. Why can't bot players be left aside and take what's left? Of course it would give advantage to those who are in leagues with a lot of bots but then at the same time, they would actually have a chance to catch up quicker with the teams in the higher division and the number of bot teams probably (just probably because not sure on this) doesn't variate that much in the same division (lets say from V.1 to V.2). Just to strengthen the argument, national teams (U21 and NT) are worse off with bots picking randomly and this especially applies to weaker countries with fewer managers, where few good players taken on by bot teams can make all the difference for them! Parden my not excellent English, had a bottle of wine tonight ;]

but it makes it unfair, betwen the league, if you take your example, with V.1^and V.2 compare V.1 with V.60, which will be a better comparision.

Because if in V.1 a manager left, you will get a new one pretty fast, in V.60 you most likely have some bots because, it just get filled when V.1-V.59 are full of humans.

Still it could happen so can I offer a suggestion that when a team folds you send every player under the age of 19, and what you normally send, to the TL. It won't hurt because if the players are just awful they won't sell and will retire, but if they are NT hopefuls than they will sell and be trained.

Yes, but everything can't be equal with random involved. That's the point. Some seasons your draft will be weaker some years stronger. It's not like every IIdiv league is equal in strenght, hell not even different sides of one league are equal. With this new system you can check your draft early. If it's not what you like then keep your money for the TL at the start of the season.
It would be pointless to put all the great draftees to Vdiv aswell, as most of them would just go to waste. So learn to enjoy a bit of random.

As you are an LA I suppose that you know the difference between the following two sentences:
a) I want everything to be equal.
b) the difference is too big.

Every time I write something here in global I get replies to something I haven't said... and that's pretty annoying!

The idea is that teams in mostly bot leagues can't finish really high in their league and also draft really well - as in real life, you get one or the other.

This is unfortunately not a good idea.

I had a discussion in NT forums about small countries. This season, SA had 12 human managers drafting. Luckily, bots picked bad players. Unluckily, I had just 12 players with potential 5 or above and not horrible skills (although skill+height cut it by a factor of 2). So, I am planning a "next mandate" (whoever will be the coach) with 5-6 players. If bots will draw some of them, SA will not be able to set a roster. And many other small countries. This cannot be "attractive" to new proud users. At least, country pride cannot be a factor to expand this game.

i'm one of those that think that the quality of top prospects in draft pools is too much different from one pool to another.
i understand what random means and i'm not bitching: i just happen to have a different idea than yours.

There were around 100 All-time great talents placed on human teams in the draft this year amongst 14778 leagues. Even if things were spread out as evenly as possible, fewer than half of the leagues could receive a player better than superstar.

I understand the desire to equalize draft pools. There might be some debate as to whether it's a good thing to do, but regardless I don't think I see a way it might be accomplished. What would you suggest be done?

If those are the numbers, then there isn't really anything that can be done. Honestly I thought there might be a bit more out there.

Unrelated question: as far as you are willing to tell me, is the ratio or 19 year old draftees rising? From what I can tell, it would seem it is, but of course I can only see a VERY small pool of draftees. Perhaps reducing the number of 19 year olds could make up for the lack of high-potential guys.

I'm better at finding problems than at solving them :) But still:

Spreading talent out as evenly as possible would be a good start: while it can be disappointing that the best player in your pool is a superstar, is even more disappointing when the best player in your pool is a superstar (maybe with bad skills :P) and your neighbour league pool get 2 mvp and an hall of famer. I know that in real life there are very depth pools and very shitty pools, but it looks to me like one of these thing were trying to stick to realism make the game less enjoyable... trying to get a good pick to start from scratch after a bad season should be a legitimate strategic choice, but it's hard to do it when there is SO much luck involved.
Speaking of that, other thing i noticed is that a 5-balls prospect (talking about skills now, not potential) are too much different from each other in terms of skills and salary. While i understand that skills distribution in a player is randomatic (i suppose), so it can happen that you get a low value in crucial skill thus lowering the value of a good player, i've seen 5-balls player going from 4500 salary to 7500 salary - isn't it too much of a gap? once again, i just have to put the 5-balls first and pray to be lucky, cause the difference inbetween the 2 extremes is very deep. i'm not asking for 7k players everywhere, but it would be nice to have a better perception of a top player overall abilities.
in that regard, i love the addition of age and height - expecially height has always been another blind shot totally related to luck, and of course i hated it :) knowing that the player i'm trying to pick will be good for the kind of training i'm planning, and that i can improve him faster if he miss something, will make the choices more rational and less depending on coin-flips :)

I don't want to discuss about the new system but I want to say that is not acceptable to have a big difference among II.1 - II.2 - II.3 - II.4; I mean that in our division the best player drafted is an 8k salary with potential 8, in another division the best player drafted is an 3k salary with potential lvl 6. To be fair the system must have more or less the same players.

To be honest, how many players with 8k salary and potential 8 do you see??? That's the dumbest comparison I have seen yet. Nomatter which league get's that guy, it's probably better draft than 99% of drafts around the world anyway. Are we talking about potentials here? There are decent players with lower salary aswell. You don't have do draft that 3k pot6 guy, why not take that 5k pot 4-5 guy?
You agreed with this division equality. So should all div2-s be equal. Or just in one country. What about all div4-s? There are 64 of those, or don't you care about nothing else but upper levels. What you fail to understand that draft is a big pool with junks randomly taken from there. Yes there is a chance that one draft get's more from the upper latter of the pool and some drafts get more from the lower latter of the pool. That's what random is about. It would be really boring if every draft had 2 decent players and were clones of eachother.

I apologise for the unnecessary use of the word 'bitching' but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. :(

Can I suggest a compromise?? the first pick for bot will be random. the second and third picks will be based on the ratings instead. This gives human players a better chance of getting a good pick.