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Another thing that is vastly overlooked is that rebounding is a team skill.

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ok give me 10 Euroleague players who can play with Scola or Marcus Goree. Then give me a player who is 195cm that can guard them It has nothing to do with what league you are in. I am in the top league in Israel and my players are not poor and I'm sure my competitions is not as well which means that some sense of reality should be put unto the game when i give the ball to my center who has 15 cm on his defender and he cant get a shot off is not realistic.. It does not have anything to do with what league they are in. It is basic that height and speed can help some players out.

There is no 195cm player who can guard a 210 player with even skills at any level in the world.

ok give me 10 Euroleague players who can play with Scola or Marcus Goree. Then give me a player who is 195cm that can guard them It has nothing to do with what league you are in. I am in the top league in Israel and my players are not poor and I'm sure my competitions is not as well which means that some sense of reality should be put unto the game when i give the ball to my center who has 15 cm on his defender and he cant get a shot off is not realistic.. It does not have anything to do with what league they are in. It is basic that height and speed can help some players out.

There is no 195cm player who can guard a 210 player with even skills at any level in the world.

Of course it has everything to do with which league you're in. Sadly, some leagues are just better than other leagues, and it is not surprising that you find the best players in the best leagues.

Ironically, Luis Scola is 6'8, and he's doing pretty well against guys much bigger than him. Likewise, I've seen 6'8 Leon Powe and 6'9 Glen Davis match up pretty well with 7'3 Zydrunas Ilgauskas and 7'2 Shaquille O'Neal. OTOH, giants like 7'2 Bruno Sundov and 7'0 Nikoloz Tskitishvili were unable to stay on an NBA court for meaningful minutes, let alone have some impact.

Because the game is pretty young, people probably still consider proficient and prominent good skills for top centers. Do note, however, that these are just 2 levels above the best skill that can be produced in a drafted player.

I will go out on a limb and claim that when the player supply shakes out, top centers should have sensational or better inside skills. Good luck training a 6'6 guy to this level.

I will give you a short example: if you rotate training, a 6'9, 18 year old guy averages a level less on all inside skills than a 7'4. 18-year old guy. So a 6'6 guy probably trains at half speed as compared to a 7'4 guy. You do the math.

Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me :)

I guess because he can play his center not as a SG but as a C and still train jump shot for example.

Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me

I guess because he can play his center not as a SG but as a C and still train jump shot for example.

Extremely easy. Play him at PF -- this is possible right now.

It was an example. Maybe some other training regime :) I didn't even check what is possible or not before I sent my message.

It was an example. Maybe some other training regime I didn't even check what is possible or not before I sent my message.

Isn't it better to figure out what training regimes offer before you make statements concerning their adequacy?

Sure, the training system was far from perfect, but I don't think radical changes are needed. There is no particular reason to make training everything at every position equally easy.

Then it should be changed.
think how stupid it is a 5'11 player who grabs more rebounds then the best players in the NBA do. Part of the game should be about getting the mismatch for your team and taking advantage of it. That NEEDS to be added to the game engine. Real life teams change their lineups and rotations for this reason all the time. So why cant we implement this. That is what i would like to know.

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Look at the top rebounder Jeff Gibbs, in the stats he is 1.88 but i could tell you for sure he is max. 1.84(6"1).

This is pretty stupid but he is a great rebounder, so maybe you could say he can't play that in the NBA, yeah you are right but in the NBA there more talented players who profits more of their training. In cgood BB leagues is it the same, heigh players get the rebounded and small guys who could rebound well in the youth but are to small have no big chanche to compete.

Edit: And yes he plays betwenn positions 4 and 5, but i see him also bring the ball as a guard and there he was worse.

Against untalented high Players i could play in the Zone to with 1.94cm and i know guys who are 10cm higher then me who could bring the ball better and shoot much better.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 5/19/2008 6:25:27 PM

Open up training to all positions all skills!

Erm, why? So that your center can play SG? Doesn't make much sense to me :)

I guess because he can play his center not as a SG but as a C and still train jump shot for example.

Extremely easy. Play him at PF -- this is possible right now.

Your responses used to have some (albeit low) relevance. Now you are either being argumentative on purpose or just plain stupid. Maybe harsh but if not stupid then you are simply invalidating all the other posts you had where you just about managed to retain an ounce of credibility.

Its obvious why i play him at SG... and if you can work this out you would know I cant train him at PF...(could it be I want to train PA?) I am lobbying for a change as unless you have bots or extremely weak opponents you can only stick with the limited preset training options..

Or maybe I could suggest you ask for a transfer to Japan or me vice versa into your league.. at least this way i could squeeze 2 more games when I can play silly buggers with my line up (maybe even get a nice enthusiasm boost!)....

I indeed understand quite well why you play him at SG. Well, guess what -- it doesn't work, and this is done on purpose. There is a reason why each training regime has a 'Team' option. If you want to train centers at guard skills and at guard speed, you have to sacrifice. If you want to preserve your squad's full strength, training is slower. Tough.

Please note that the PF comment was directed to a guy who hadn't even bothered to check what you can and cannot train at each position with the regimes currently available.

at any serious competitive league you cant get by with a height advantage of that differential for long periods of a game with a zone. That is if he is in one of the two big man spots. I played high school, college and semi pro in my life and i'm a 2 guard who plays some small. I get by at small with bigger players who play outside but if they go to the post with 10cm it does not matter how good i am on defense i stuggle because i cant front them because of a lob pass and if i play behind them they shoot right over me. In a zone you will always have that same problem as well.

The game needs to have it balance off at some point with what guys can play what position to what ddegree and how well.