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My roster cap is closer to 500k. I just only use 200k of it.
So my point is that I could spend 500k in salaries, but I don't need to, and so I get to keep some profit each week to try and improve.

I'm not saying the economy is the same, I'm just saying that I think that there would be a way to run a team effectively and still make a profit :)

Naker dont take this as a ''bad'' comment to your team or how you manage your team, but did you realized what you said?

You compete on Australia a community about 700 users(medium one, but i ignore if its increasing or not) and from my point of view your team salary is ridiculous to the division you are playing. On Italia or Spain most of the teams in Div II they pay more in salaries to stay competitive and not to relegate to Div III and on the other hand there are lot of teams on Div III-IV that also pays more salaries than you, trying to promote to Div III or stay,doing well on cup or both.

So why a team from Div II from a medium country can pay only 200k on salarys an make a 170k of profit? Of course from your part is a smart actitude if you dont go back to Div III, but im really astonished. If you were on Spain or Itally you would be paying 1,5 or 2 times more on salarys to stay competitive in Div II and most probably you would lose some money per week unless you advance some rounds on cup. Same thing for Div III with 200k salaries i doubt you promote to Div II unless you trained really well, because remember that people enjoy more staying competitive on high leagues than trying to earn 100-200k per week if that means losing lot of matchs.

Its really surprising there can be such a difference in a Div II from Australia(medium country) to Spain or Itally and i dont want to imagine the differences between the divisions III-IV. Since most of the teams on Itally and Spain from lower divisions see how they cant progress because of the economic problems, related to the low incomes we have on this countrys. For me its not fun to play a game where there are all this imbalances between countrys, I would not care if our incomes were higher or at least the costs were lower. Let's say the truth, the most affected teams from the raise of the salaries were teams from lower divisions on big countrys who were operating near 0K to stay competitive and now we are operating in red numers, since on other countrys, teams pay also more in salarys but they still have more incomes

We got a really serious economic problem, its not fun and fair that the 2 biggest communities on this game most of the teams are playing under 0 K as i said before around 0 to -200k our incomes are really low related to the costs that we have to pay because remember that managers prefer to play a game to have fun and on BB that means stay competitive and trying to win the maximum matchs you can, because its a really low% of managers who enjoy wasting 2-3 seasons to have better conditions on the future.

Last but not least i will also consider to leave the game(some seasons ago wanted to be supporter) as others said if the economy stays like this for 1-2 seasons, its not fun for me to always be on negative, im on -380k and even if i sell some player i trained i did my second best season on the cup arriving to the best 64 managers of 5700 and its also ridicoulous that such a big country for advancing on cup i only earn 50k, when its harder than on other countrys.I'm sorry if it seems a bit ''pessimist'', but im talking from the experience since managers on BB unknown the hard situation that we are suffering on Itally or Spain and I imagine also on the others big communities too.



Last edited by Marot at 8/19/2010 10:00:42 AM

I used the same sentence several times, because it looks like you (plural) hadn't read it.

Funny, it seemd to me that nobody was reading my answers to this kind of sentence.

Hardly any can expect immediate significant changes which totally turn around global economy and improve your situation.

But I don't expect a major changing in a small amount of time... First because I know that nothing con be revolutioned so fast without the risk of a worse condition later, second because I saw the time span needed to, for example, change the draft organization.

So, if the games is boring for you at the moment you can choose from 2 basic possibilities:
1) accept conditions for the moment, do your best for your team within them and wait for any future changes, eventually you can suggest some improvement,
2) leave the game (and eventually start playing new team in a small country so that you can profit with advantages of small country)

...and why do you think I'm still here, trying to do my best to make everybody understand that something is "wrong"? I'm not used to chicken out uncomfortable situations, even in a (still enjoyable, or at least better than others civilisation based) online game. I was just trying to do the only thing that I can to improve this game. Say what I think could be better.

P.s.

therefore there is suggestion forum, nobody is "nobody"', anybody can have inspirational ideas

Come on, you know what I mean, I was just saying that there's been a whole bunch of more expert users saying the same thing as me and trying to propose possible solutions, I don't think everybody was waiting for my words.


Last edited by TheMaxx © at 8/19/2010 8:33:58 AM

remember that managers prefer to play a game to have fun and on BB that means stay competitive and trying to win the maximum matchs you can, because its a really low% of managers who enjoy wasting 2-3 seasons to have better conditions on the future.

But for me "wasting" 2-3 season (or even more) sounds like best strategy in such a situation you are facing in lower leagues of Spain and Italy.
I have played any other sport manager online games. And all the time I try to do first some steps which brings me longterm advantages and I don't need to be competitive very quickly.

You are wright. Maybe the problem is that in Spain or in Italy in order to be successfull with that long term strategy you are asked to wast 3 or 4 times the time you invest in do the same in you play in other country. Sometimes that difference is what make the user think where is the difference between invest time and wast time.

It also depends on goal of each manager. If I start playing in Italy or Spain in level VI I would probably set my goal like training one of best SF of the game, train really great player for NT or something like that as trying to win some main competition would be a waste of time or the challange with less than 1% probability in acceptable time horizon.

Yes, and in terms of losing users for botification too. But yes, you are wright. But still don´t know how big could be this 2 communittys if they were in a better economical situation.

remember that managers prefer to play a game to have fun and on BB that means stay competitive and trying to win the maximum matchs you can, because its a really low% of managers who enjoy wasting 2-3 seasons to have better conditions on the future.

But for me "wasting" 2-3 season (or even more) sounds like best strategy in such a situation you are facing in lower leagues of Spain and Italy.
I have played any other sport manager online games. And all the time I try to do first some steps which brings me longterm advantages and I don't need to be competitive very quickly.

About italy ,The best strategy is take a team.....and stay in V for 3/4 seasons, train and sell and put money in stadium.
Great strategy but it's not funny play for losing matchPP
Then,after 1 year,more and less,you start to do a team with young player as P or G and ,using money of precedent seasons of no-play,you buy some big man.
Other 3 season and you arrive in III division where you find team with 300k of salary cap....no problem because you've spent 2 years to do money and you are ready to do battle !!!
Other 2 seasons and your young players are really strong and if you' ve spend your money in right way ,you can have a good team,really a good team...and you can play for arrive to high divisions.
you think ,this is funny....in particular the first 4 season where you can't play because you had to do money.???
Money that users in small country do in 3 seasons...and they don't need using this boring system.
So i don't think it's funny and for this reason we can't say economy is equal...
And it's difficult read in some post ( general ) " this is the way to be a great manager" because these posts arrive from users that don't know the real problematic of big country economy.
They do money without any difficult...

My roster cap is closer to 500k. I just only use 200k of it.
So my point is that I could spend 500k in salaries, but I don't need to, and so I get to keep some profit each week to try and improve.

I'm not saying the economy is the same, I'm just saying that I think that there would be a way to run a team effectively and still make a profit :)

See? You just said I'm right. And I'm right because you have the choice.
You can decide to use a 200K roster and you will stay in II without big problems, that's what you are saying.
Well, my own roster is a 196K and it's still not strong enough in each position to make me think of being promoted from IV to III, not even mention staying in a mid-level III division without being relegated the same season of my promotion.

Easy to say "everything it's perfectly fair" when you can choose, or as my grandad used to say: "Easy to play the poor when you are rich".

remember that managers prefer to play a game to have fun and on BB that means stay competitive and trying to win the maximum matchs you can, because its a really low% of managers who enjoy wasting 2-3 seasons to have better conditions on the future.

But for me "wasting" 2-3 season (or even more) sounds like best strategy in such a situation you are facing in lower leagues of Spain and Italy.
I have played any other sport manager online games. And all the time I try to do first some steps which brings me longterm advantages and I don't need to be competitive very quickly.

I don't blame about the current situation and honestly I prefer this kind of market than the market where players were sold at 15m but I need to point out one thing; at the beginning it was true you could choice, in fact if you remember the German guys had the best strategy investing in the arena. Unfortunately today you cannot choice, I've decided to go back in second division cause I wanted to train young players, now I'm trying to save money but I'm risking to be relegated in III division and for the economy this is a tragedy. To survive I need to pay at least 150k/week of salary more and probably at the end I'll do that but believe me we are not talking about possibilities, we are forced.
I really hope that all the countries will have the same expansion of Italy and Spain but after seasons it seems to me that some countries didn't have the same "progression" and that's a pity not in the BBB but when you need to buy a specialist or a player. Anyway the final point is that as in the real life, if you wanna stay in NBA you need to have a certain lvl of player if you want to stay in first Italy division you need lower lvl, less costs but NOT same incomes.

Is not an invention, BBs introduced different tv contracts and merchandising for this reason, as they introduced the taxation, in this case maybe they didn't calibrate well the economy cause if I can finish in good position in a second division Australia spending 200k/week I see that the difference is bigger than I thought; in the first case you earn money and you are competitive, in our division we are losing money and you're not competitive. The point even break is in VI division but it sounds bad to me to restart from zero

PS: About your second post. In the first division you've much better incomes, when your SFs are almost completed I think you should try to be promoted, otherwise this game makes no sense ;)

Last edited by ned at 8/19/2010 9:36:18 AM

My roster cap is closer to 500k. I just only use 200k of it.
So my point is that I could spend 500k in salaries, but I don't need to, and so I get to keep some profit each week to try and improve.

It's not a your worth to have an high profit in your condition.
When I hear some users comment about the "complaining" of Italian and Spanish managers,boasting themself of having a high weekly profit, with some phrases like "You have to earn more from arena" or "You have to find a way to run your team better and so make a profit" or "You are whining because there are better teams in your league" or "You want to have advantages in your competition",I like to see their team page and try to understand what they are doing to try to improve their team

And I like to understand what strategy they are following for their future,no matter if they have a better economic situation.You can blow up your team and completaly rebuild it,you can be a skill trader,you can try to boost in the short time your team to be promoted,you can try to train some old strong player to build your team around him in the subsequent seasons,you can train some player that can replace your older players and so on...

But I often see teams that reach a position near the half position in their league and stop them,only waiting money to buy someone on the market,and they can raise a lot of money because of the condition of the competitivity in their league,where they don't need to even improve o change a little bit their team

It's not a problem if a user gain 100-200-300k every week,it's a problem that some teams gain these money not because of a strategy,but because of the structural conditions .If I would to blow up my team,I could earn 200k/week,but I would have to pay the consequences of my choice in the short time,and then have the possible benefits of my strategy.....the part of your speech that I underlined in bold,explains instead why the actual situation is wrong.You don't spend money because you don't need to spend it,and this can be a good choice;but at this point how can't you see the advantage that you have on the market,against teams that have to spend like you,or more than you to stay in a league and have much less incomes?The market is global,and your money have the same value of the mine,but you can raise them to use in the market in a much more faster and easier way than me,damaging my market and my projects.And You can't even say "it's the same for all",because a purchase on the market in a specific period can change the destiny of a season and of a team,so if I lose a player in a specific moment,by a user that outbid the player I need because of his more favourable condition,it's not the same of another team in my league that have different moments and different objectives in that period than me....And the your is not a real strategy,because while it's true that you can chose to stay much below your roster cap and raise money during the season,it doesn't mean that you can't have some 18-19years old with low salary to train and maintain in the team or sell in the future,so raising money in the short time and increasing the value of your team selling young players after some season of traing or having new good players in your team

The point of my overall speech is that the system should work in the way that you have to earn every cent if you deserve it,it should not give money only because of the awful competitivity condition in a league