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I wouldn't know how that feels. I don't have friends.

I beg to differ.

I don't even know that mother$&@?.

Well....you know him well enough to know he's a "mother$&@?"

i've got to chime in here to say something about recent transactions. my vocabulary is limited: is there a word that means "a series of fortuitous events that work for one team and otherwise seem to be inexplicable"?

-- A-Dub announces he is on the verge of getting caught by the bankruptcy rules.
-- A-Dub places three 39 year old players on the TL; collectively he is asking for $650,000 for the three.
-- these three players then provoke modest bidding wars, and A-Dub nets $850,000.
-- two of these players are purchased by a manager in the Barbados league; i don't squat about the manager or the league, except the manager has occasionally left comments in this forum.
-- the third player was purchased by a tanking NBBA team. the purchase is hard to understand: the player is ancient and will be of little use in the future. the player has the highest salary on the team, now -- but $10,000 does not put the team anywhere near the league floor. a 33-year old with a similar salary was purchased for $100,000, one-fourth the cost of the A-Dub player. there were already 15 other players on the roster, so it is not like this player is necessary to fill out game-time rosters. a quick look at the TL show quickly that $350,000 could purchase much better players, whether the criteria is age or skill, especially if salary is not a concern. in short, this transaction looks like a complete waste of money from an experienced manager who got to this level and thus has proven himself as capable.

-- and A-Dub avoids bankruptcy and having his entire squad put on the TL. indeed, he does it without having to break up his core and can now continue on his way to multiple championships.

i don't know anything about anyone's motives, and there may well be facts that i don't know anything about. but what is have stated here leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it's unfortunate -- this is the first time i have felt this way since i started this game.

I've wanted to avoid commenting but this post right here hits the nail on the head. And Hassan, their "motives" are actually clearly stated on a thread in the offsite where he says people have offered to help him out.

http://s3.zetaboards.com/BuzzerBeater_USA_NT/topic/789972...


Last edited by Dwight Coward at 7/30/2016 8:47:26 PM

hmm.. And now it seems that part of the post has been edited out :?
So here is a screenshot for those of you who have not seen it, I had a feeling that would happen

https://postimg.org/image/kc4hb1yxt/

Yes, managers offered to purchase my players via BB-Mail.

A-Dub hasn't broken any rules.

Whether or not the purchase of those players was at market value is up to the mods to decide as accusations of cheating are not allowed on the forums. I agree that the players were probably bought at more than they were worth, but that happens often. I agree that managers may possibly have alterior motives to buy A-Dubs players to help him not go bankrupt, but again, it isn't our place to decide that, and technically A-Dub never asked anyone to break any rules. I'll be honest, I contacted A-dub and asked if there was anything I could do to help him, but he said that he couldn't think of anything that would help that wasn't against the rules and that he didn't want to do anything that would be a breach of BuzzerBeater policy and that his plan was just to wait and hope someone bought his players.

In the offsite post he still did not solicite help beyond what is allowed, he simply explained his situation. If GMs feel the need to step in, they will, but people buying A-Dubs players for whatever reason is not against the rules.

Also I'm thrashing his team tonight and I don't even own a full roster so his team can't be that good.

Last edited by Chekreyes at 7/30/2016 9:24:50 PM

I appreciate your support & honesty. I was hoping to keep the two managers whom contacted me confidential in order to protect their integrity from being scrutinized. There intentions were good.

A-Dub hasn't broken any rules.

Sorry dude, but this is not the case.

Rules Broken:

1. Listed players for more than fair Market Value
2. Solicited Sales from Friends
3. Promised to buy players back from other teams "to repay loans" after he enters his rebuild. This constitutes shifting BB money from one account to another.
4. Didn't self-report after he received bids clearly higher than the players fair market value.

But what do I know? I was just a GM for 5 years.

Yeah, I mean I wanted to help, but I was never going to waste money on your broke ass, or do anything that would put me at risk of being fined, etc.

I think the managers that did buy the players probably selected A-Dubs because they were going to buy a player and since A-Dub's fit the ticket more or less they were willing to choose those over another.

I don't even think this changes a whole lot with regards to us in league play.

Last edited by Chekreyes at 7/30/2016 9:51:27 PM

A-Dub hasn't broken any rules.

Sorry dude, but this is not the case.

Rules Broken:

1. Listed players for more than fair Market Value

Maybe. But people list players for $10 mill all the time and nobody cares.

2. Solicited Sales from Friends

The only thing he did was post an ad on the offsite stating that he was fighting off bankruptcy and was putting players up in order to get back in the game. In that add he stated that players had offered to loan him money, but not that he had agreed or accepted. It is perfectly fine to post an add, and explain why you are selling your players on the offsite.

3. Promised to buy players back from other teams "to repay loans" after he enters his rebuild. This constitutes shifting BB money from one account to another.

I don't see where he did this. Are you inferring he did this in private with players?

4. Didn't self-report after he received bids clearly higher than the players fair market value.

This is where I might agree with you. They did sell for a fair amount of money, but like I said before the GM's will step in if they feel the need and in the meantime it is against the rules to accuse people of cheating on the forums.

But what do I know? I was just a GM for 5 years.

And it is exactly because I know we have good staff like you working on the game that I trust the system and trust that the GM's will lower the amount of money A-Dub receives if they feel it needs to be done.

I don't think talking about it more in a public setting is going to do anyone any good.

Last edited by Chekreyes at 7/30/2016 10:02:42 PM

Here is my problem it:

I have applauded A-Dub for his success, and the way he built, and has run his team. I have been cheering him in the B3....I have sent him a handful of BB-Mails congratulating him and complimenting his success. I have always laughed when some guys are critical for how others run their team, especially in instances where a team has a significantly higher payroll than everyone else. But there is nothing wrong or illegal about it...I have always teased and called this tactic Bullying, but it's fair and okay to do it.

However, when you go the Bully route and run with a sizeable payroll advantage over everyone else, and run a significantly negative weekly income/loss you face risks with that strategy.

In late June he sold a player for a crazy amount of money, and then spent all that money, and more to buy a new stud to make his team even more unstoppable. He did this without any foresight of the schedule and the fact that he a time coming where he would have back to back Financial updates without a home game. He had the money on hand to protect his team, but choose the risky strategy and spent it going further in the hole. So when it all comes to a head, how is rewarded? Guys bail him out. So he gets to bully everyone, play a risky strategy, and then faces no consequences.

Who pays the price?

Well, if he had to sell a core player this week, it might have opened the door for Eugene to pull an upset in the Cup on Thursday. If he was able to wait a week, it might have opened the door for High Point Heroes to pull an upset in the Cup Championship. That week or the week after, and it would have opened the door for Eugene to pull the upset in the Conference Finals or for High Point Heroes or Arizona to pull the upset in the League Finals.

Instead, despite his mistake, and because of the bailout...none of those teams stands a chance, and A-Dub's B3 dream stays alive, and he gets two more Gold trophies.

This affected more than just A-Dubs B3 run. His mistake opened the door to give others hope they could play for more than a Silver...but that hope and the open door was shut as quickly as it was opened.

The charmed life of A-Dub continues!