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ok Lebron is a top shooter, who is a point forward, while he get the ball during the offensiv process in his hand and not mostly during all of the attack ;) Lebron runs more a PG play, even when he had the size, of an SF and the weigth of an PF. Bird was a SF, who sometimes goes moreto the PF pos(in terms of rebounding has similiarities to that, and not those rush to the board you had by small players like Kidd and Wade and often lebron)

Jordan played also defence against forwards btw., but Jordan is not really comparable with Lebron or just a comparision where Lebron has to loose by a ver ybig margin.

And i don't say that Lebron don't have substance, he is one of the top players currently in the NBA, with Wade and Durant(maybe Rose, Howard and Dirk too in the group).

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/12/2011 3:23:46 AM

It´s impossible to compare this 2 players i.m.h.o.

Basketball has changed a lot in this (not so many) years. Players are now faster and stronger, defenses have improved a lot, rules have changed, etc...

I think Jordan is the best because of his pursuit of perfection and his stellar appearences echa and every time he was needed. He was like one of those heroes from comics, he alwayd delivered when the game was on the line. Despite all the changes I think Jordan could adapt quite fast to current basketball.

However, because of the changes I've mentioned I truly believe a pleyer with the talent, speed and strenght of Lebron playing in the later 80s and 90s would have been the best player cause he would have been ahead of his time, exactly as Jordan but better because of physical attributes.

And again, Prince James chokes when the pressure is on. Even being wide open he decided to pass the ball and didn't take the shot. Even though he started strong, he slowly but surely fade away from the game. Still comparing him to MJ?

Except you have to look at why players are stronger/faster - and that usually comes down to training.
If Jordan were playing today, he'd have the benefit of that same training... thus it's a moot point.

Except you have to look at why players are stronger/faster - and that usually comes down to training.
If Jordan were playing today, he'd have the benefit of that same training... thus it's a moot point.

I never said the opposite.

It’s not how hard you push along the way; It’s if you have it in you to finish

by MJ

I think we're done here

Jordan mental attributes were far better than LeBron's. In fact, they were his best attribute, his mentality was above the rest and that's the main reason he was the best.

However, we are comparing 2 different things here, as we are comparing basketball in the late 80s & 90s with basketball today, and believe me, go watch those videos again, it's a very different sport. Defenses are better, offensives are played more open, less medium range shots and much more 3p shots are taken now, players run faster and are stronger, etc... so how can we compare this guys? Take this example, Bird is famous worldwide as a great 3p shooter, well he had less than 1 3P a game, shot hardly above 38% BUT he played with 4 or 5 HoF so he could shoot most of his 3P after receiving a pass, with both feet on the floor and not off the dribble as most superstars have to shoot today.

If we are comparing mental attributes Jordan is above the rest by a big margin.

If we are comparing who was more important in his time Jordan also wins.

BUT if we are trying to compare stats that's impossible as they don't face the same opposition and don't play the same kinda basketball.

AND finally, if we are trying to fake a time machine and put Lebron as he is now playing in the past, I'm quite sure he would be the best player and would dominate the League even above Jordan as he is taller, faster and stronger and has a very close talent. But is just an opinion, it's impossible to prove any of this.

Last edited by Supermán at 6/14/2011 6:29:37 AM

Basketball has changed a lot in this (not so many) years. Players are now faster and stronger, defenses have improved a lot, rules have changed, etc...

NBA has also made it easier for guards/driving players to dominate the game. Jordan was a freak athlete 20 years ago the same as he would be today. The only difference is the refs would have made it even easier for him to score.

(http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/2010/02/history-of-n...)

Here's a pretty good run of the rules. Jordan was at his scoring peak at a time before 2 levels of hand-checking rules had been applied, particularly all the changes in 2002.

Since Jordan was gone, the NBA needed to try to make it easier for everyone else to be Jordan-esque.

Last edited by brian at 6/14/2011 8:44:26 AM

players run faster and are stronger

like that one really fast strong guy that helped kill Miami, what's his name...JJ Barea

AND finally, if we are trying to fake a time machine and put Lebron as he is now playing in the past, I'm quite sure he would be the best player and would dominate the League even above Jordan as he is taller, faster and stronger and has a very close talent. But is just an opinion, it's impossible to prove any of this.

Wow..this is bringing the crazy. LeBron can be a lock down defender at Jordan's level when he chooses to be in the game (as if lack of consistency alone doesn't bring this conversation to a grinding halt), but offensively LBJ just doesn't have the same tools.

Last edited by brian at 6/14/2011 9:07:13 AM

There's a reason for all those rule changes: Defenses started to get better and better, so the points per game were dropping and for marketing purposes it doesn't seem to be a good thing, to say the rules were changed to help other guards to be Jordan isn't serious. You disagree?? Watch the videos, watch a Bill Chamberlain game, then watch Lakers vs Celtics in the 80's, then Chicago vs Utah in the 90s, then the Kobe Shaq Lakers vs whatever in the 00s and then watch again last week final games.

There was another fact that proves the improvement in individual & team defenses: the offenses changed from 95% close to the basket points in Chamberlain - Rusell era to what we got today were in FIBA (shorter dimmensions plus pure zone defense allowed) & in NCAA there are teams shooting from 3p range as much as from the 2p. You disagree?? Go check the stats: 3p attempts per game evolution in the NBA in only the last 40 years... Bird used to make less than 1 3P per game and only 2 attempts per game and in his time he was recognized as a great 3p shooter... that's a clue if you don't want to go check stats.

Watch Lakers vs Celtics in the 80s and you'll be surprised as how slow and naive were the defensive reactions. It looks like a training match, there's no D if you compare it with what you are used to watch today. It's all in youtube...

So my point is: there was a very different defensive opposition then than now and that's not a detail, a minor issue, as it's not the same if you play covered by Turkoglu or by Lebron James, to score 20 vs Turkoglu is not the same than scoring 20 vs Lebron, you don't have to work as hard to get those 20 pts. SO it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE and that's what it makes this comparison impossible and useless.

You have 2 ways of seeing it: you can think all current players are worse than the ones they learned of by watching them on TV and the rules were changed to compensate that lack of talent or you can accept that the people learns from the past, team tactics get better, scouting is now better, defenses get better, and logically, the current players are better athletes and better basketball players if it was possible to travel through time and take them to the past because of better training, better knowledge of defense but not necesarily because of more talent.

So what you want to compare: impact in the game?? Mental attributes?? Jordan by a mile. No doubt. But that's as far as I'd go.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Caj1bkb7Q)

just as an example I bring up this video... it's not in slow motion, you are watching the "fast break makers" vs the Celtics...

can you compare the stats of any of this players with any of the players who currently play in NBA?? You gotta be kidding

No D, no speed, no offensive motion, etc... it looks like a senior exhibition game but they were the 2 best teams in the 80s playing a final game.

Hey (talking to the Celtics hall of fame players playing (on) defense), the bold tall guy is Abdul Jabbar, do you know him, he will kill you with his hooks if you don't double team, don't fight por position in the paint, don't try to make it hard to give him the ball, etc... it looks like a joke, but it's a serious game with 2 teams full of HoF and no defense at all.

So I rest my case fellas, we can't compare.