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What hot shot. Stop smoking already.
We have income from merchandising, tv contract, arena income. There is no investment. What the hell are you talking about. How can teams start the season with the same assets? Does money mystically dissapear? If you still have not noticed this game continues beyond one season. Everything you do before the next season, affects that next season aswell.
Your brain is void.

BB is not NBA. NBA: 30 teams. BB: 50.000 teams.

It's a basketball game, not a NBA game. Rules CAN be different.

This is just not an argument nor a claim that anyone could refer to...

Geez we are all very fiesty today arent we! Is all the Xmas shopping stress starting to get to people! Relax peoples relax!

Pini suggestion is spawned out of the issue related to the draft. Often we see teams not investing in the draft, complaining about the draft, sayingt he draft is useless etc etc etc. And its true, the current draft has issues.
Pini has identified this as an issue and is suggesting a solution for it.

The idea is that by not allowing to fire or sell a player drafted (at least on the first round/s), will cause ALL users to put more into their training and into their scouting.

This is semi-true. On the surface, it would seem that teams will invest more in order to get a better chance at getting a draft pick that they want to keep, because they HAVE to keep him.
BUT, as someone else pointed out, it would actually probably lead to teams investing in the draft to find the WORST player in the draft, (ie: lowest salary) so that for the next year, they pay the least amount of money.

So the idea is good in theory, and i think its a good idea to try and emulate what happens in the NBA. The problem with that, is that in NBA, the teams have a staff of people who specialise in player management, salary management, training, accounts, trainee development etc etc. And in particular, the GM's and team presidents, who in liasing with the coach, will draft/trade/fire players based on performance, market availability, finances etc etc.
These staff get paid salary and they do it for a living. If we make this game too much like NBA, im going to have to hire an assistant to make me coffee, and a market strategist to work out the best buy's on the market, and im going to have to ask BB to pay me a salary :) :) :) :) :)

Point being is, the draft problem is a problem. But making the game exactly like NBA is probably not the solution. Takign elements of NBA is a better idea, where appropriate.

So what about a slight modification to the suggestion.
First round draft pick if sold before all-star break, will be paid 6 weeks of salary
You could say that, being a first round draft pick, he is peeved that he has been dicked around by your team, when he could have nominated for the Europe league and be starting over there, and be a basketball celebrity, hangin' out with french groupies and becoming Berlusconi's favourite basketball star. So he needs compensation for that.

I dont think this idea itself will resolve the draft issues. But I think there needs to be an overhaul of the current drafting system, including other idea's that have been put forward, such as a different potential distribution/D-league, etc etc. Perhaps this suggestion can be a component of this overhaul.

Geez we are all very fiesty today arent we! Is all the Xmas shopping stress starting to get to people! Relax peoples relax!

Of course that I'm not celebrating Xmas, but wish all those who do all the best and a happy holiday

The idea is that by not allowing to fire or sell a player drafted (at least on the first round/s), will cause ALL users to put more into their training and into their scouting.

BUT, as someone else pointed out, it would actually probably lead to teams investing in the draft to find the WORST player in the draft, (ie: lowest salary) so that for the next year, they pay the least amount of money.

Great - this is a strategy, but is still mean that they invest thought and action for the draft.
In addition, I'm not sure that all will do the same, and what is more important is that this will really cause users and the BB-masters to think how to improve the draft (if needed).

The problem with that, is that in NBA, the teams have a staff of people who specialise in player management, salary management, training, accounts, trainee development etc etc. And in particular, the GM's and team presidents, who in liasing with the coach, will draft/trade/fire players based on performance, market availability, finances etc etc.

All of this is part of the game, and part of BB-managing...
Like you don't send "people" to find you players in this game, the same is true regarding the draft.

These staff get paid salary and they do it for a living. If we make this game too much like NBA, im going to have to hire an assistant to make me coffee, and a market strategist to work out the best buy's on the market, and im going to have to ask BB to pay me a salary :) :) :) :) :)

Again - this will make it more a BB-managing.
You could take this argument you've bring and claim that against any aspect of BB.

So what about a slight modification to the suggestion.
First round draft pick if sold before all-star break, will be paid 6 weeks of salary

This is exactly what I am suggesting but just for a shorter period.
We aim this change to be effective, and causing users to think about draft picks.
Paying a single (or just 6) weekly-salaries will not do the job.

And again, the combination of two of my suggestions will do the work, like they do in the NBA.
Players in higher leagues should be more "mature' players, but with lower potentail or with lower rate of improvement.
By that - they're payroll will be high enough to take care of them, and you will need to invest more on their training managing, and on the draft managing. Summary - invest more time on BB-managing.

Crap player exists also on NBA draft.

so you draft useles player, and training is also useless but you had to pay the salary. Nothing of them is reality in the NBA like you say, cause NBA team also trade their draft picks, and draftet players. Also training should be possible like in lower league with the same circumstances etc.

Will I invest 140k (10k a week) to get a player around 1500$ which I will be forced to pay for 14 weeks, so a total of 161k.

Or.

Will I invest nothing and pay a player around 3000$ which I will be forced to pay for 14 weeks, so a total of 37k? And I wish to point out that he will be better in Cup (and scrimmage, I like to win my scrimmages) than the other. If I'm lucky, I still will get my 1500$ without investing nothing.

Who says that investing in the draft means that you will get a lesser player (one who will have lower salary and ability)?
This logic is beyond me

And again, the combination of two of my suggestions will do the work, like they do in the NBA.
Players in higher leagues should be more "mature' players, but with lower potentail or with lower rate of improvement.
By that - they're payroll will be high enough to take care of them, and you will need to invest more on their training managing, and on the draft managing. Summary - invest more time on BB-managing.
Crap player exists also on NBA draft.

so you draft useles player, and training is also useless but you had to pay the salary. Nothing of them is reality in the NBA like you say, cause NBA team also trade their draft picks, and draftet players. Also training should be possible like in lower league with the same circumstances etc.

If that what you will decide to do, that what you will get.
If you will decide to invest in the draft for getting better players, and then train them, you will get that.

And like in the NBA, you can make great scouting and come up with a flop instead of the realy good player that will be drafted afterwards.

Will I invest 140k (10k a week) to get a player around 1500$ which I will be forced to pay for 14 weeks, so a total of 161k.

Or.

Will I invest nothing and pay a player around 3000$ which I will be forced to pay for 14 weeks, so a total of 37k? And I wish to point out that he will be better in Cup (and scrimmage, I like to win my scrimmages) than the other. If I'm lucky, I still will get my 1500$ without investing nothing.

Who says that investing in the draft means that you will get a lesser player (one who will have lower salary and ability)?
This logic is beyond me

You said that. http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...

How nice to take things out of context.
One said that he will just invest for getting the player that will cost less per week, and I call it a strategy.
A bad one, but still a strategy.

The idea is that by not allowing to fire or sell a player drafted (at least on the first round/s), will cause ALL users to put more into their training and into their scouting.

BUT, as someone else pointed out, it would actually probably lead to teams investing in the draft to find the WORST player in the draft, (ie: lowest salary) so that for the next year, they pay the least amount of money.

Great - this is a strategy, but is still mean that they invest thought and action for the draft.
In addition, I'm not sure that all will do the same, and what is more important is that this will really cause users and the BB-masters to think how to improve the draft (if needed).

Last edited by Pini פיני at 12/11/2011 3:21:25 PM