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I have to disagree with your conclusion though, mainly based on historical arguments. The Look Inside dominance is something that has not been there for an extremely long time.

When R&G was the preferred tactic back in season 12 I bought 3 talented 18 year olds to train.
Back then, the elastic effect wasn't known yet, but the salary formula had been pretty much figured out and salary calculators started to appear.
I pondered a lot on how to train my players and what kind of team I wanted to build and came to the conclusion that the best way is to play look inside, because it's the most salary efficient way.
Of course, many more people came to that same conclusion and started training their players accordingly.

So, my theory is that as soon as the salary formula was figured out and managers could calculate which is the most efficient way to build a team, more and more managers started to train "look inside players".
Now that these players are all fully trained, we're seeing the look inside dominance in full effect.

You're right, the training and salary system didn't change. What changed was that managers figured them out and adjusted the way they played the game.

If you will increase the strength block skill and players with block 8 or 9 will be more effective in the defence then after two, three seasons when everyone will already have players with block 15 you will be reducing the strength of the block
Maybe increasing strength 2-3 tactics only is better?

In this moment 3-2 or 1-3-1 against Run and Gun is ok
but 2-3 against Look Inside is weak

Last edited by darkonza at 3/13/2013 12:06:30 PM

I actually believe the 2-3 functions fine against LI(it's just as you said, people have 8-9 blocking max). Where it is a little too weak is how much outside offenses and base offenses dominate it, where a 3-2 can hold its own against a LI.

if you look at the nba history the highest i guess a player average in blocks was 4.0 which was done by tree rollins ( i bet not much of you heard of him )

Huh, what?

Mark Eaton - 5.56 per game in 84-85. Tree Rollins' 4.2/gm season in 82-83 barely makes the top 10.

Mark Eaton is also the career average leader with 3.5/gm. Hakeem played longer and had more total blocks, but is third on the career average per game list at 3.09. Manute Bol is second with 3.34.

Last edited by Alec Burke at 3/13/2013 3:03:39 PM

I agree, if the 2-3 was meant to help against LI, it doesn't work
not to mention the litany of fouls perpetrated by the SF

ever though about the points that the SF has the wrong skills for 2-3 and that LI isn't always the same?

you have to differ between a close range LI and a mid range LI. If your Bigs are far more stronger than your guards and your guards can pass exellent, you will have a close range LI. your bigs will take most of the shots near the rim. If your Guards are stronger, the whole play will slide to the mid range. your bigs take low percantage shots and your guards try to score more on their own. and now imagine, you are playing against a mid range LI with a 2-3 zone... yeah, you have the right defense but you defend the wrong players. if you don't believe me, take moutlinhos tool and watch through the games like i did. and you will see how the defense works, where and against what SB is effective and so on. i analized more than 500 games over the last seasons from LI, RnG, Iso, Motion over 3-2 zone, SB, defense to LCD and how the engine decides which player will play.
have fun

Quick thought on forfeiting. I have a team in my league that announced in our forums that he is quitting. He now forfeits every game so everyone that plays him gets a +50 PD. He is in the opposite conference as me so everyone in that conference gets an automatic 50 point lead on everyone in my conference which is a huge advantage come the championship game if the records are the same. Is there anyway other way to deal with forfeiting?

You could reply to Dermef's argument that a purely defensive + JS/JR Center, built to fit an outside offense, would cost less than the standard Center needed for a LI offense. I think it would be interesting to see more defensive centers.

That kind of big man would be a PF, not a center. It sounds like a trivial distinction but it means that outside skills still count for the salary calculation.

Sure, you can build a defensive PF that doesn't make that much money, but the problem with that is that a) he still costs more than a comparable look inside guard and b) while you can have a look inside guard with a great jump shot for those mid-range shots that you still take with look inside, your defensive center will be severely limited offensively when it comes to those inside opportunities that you get even with an outside tactic.

The reality speaks for itself. Teams with look inside players have been the most successful teams for a few seasons now and in my opinion it's not because outside tactics are weaker but because inside tactics are cheaper and thus give you better results for your money.